Harold Hoffman attacks Jim Kilgore

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by houstonupci

I have no idea. I haven't yet developed the ability to see the contents of another person's heart and soul.

I do know that one of the women was weeping in the presence of God.

If your eyes can identify a "same-sex couple" they can identify if they have repented of it.

Saul had all sorts of "experiences" with those pentecostal "prophets" in his day and still died lost due to no significant change occurring in his heart.

[shazeep]

i think A76 et al make a very good point, that being that those sinners by and large recognize their sin, not glorify it.

[houstonupci]

Originally Posted by Esaias

If your eyes can identify a "same-sex couple" they can identify if they have repented of it.

Saul had all sorts of "experiences" with those pentecostal "prophets" in his day and still died lost due to no significant change occurring in his heart.

Again...my eyes can't see issues of the heart. As someone that's turned away from the idea of legalism, I'm no longer solely focused on how things appear.

I'm curious as to what your response would be if I could tell you "no, she did not repent." Would that make a difference in her being welcomed back to a second service?

[Sister Alvear]

When people truely repent they leave the "OLE" lifestyle....whatever that was...and embrace a new lifestyle that DOES have rules....Jesus was a rule giver....

However whoever appears at our church I always try to welcome them and pray with them...The gospel changes people.

Know ye not that the unrighteous
shall not inherit the kingdom of God?
Be not deceived;
neither fornicators,
nor idolaters,
nor adulterers,
nor effeminate ["malakos"],
nor abusers of themselves with mankind ["arsenokoitays"],
nor thieves,
nor covetous,
nor drunkards,
nor revilers,
nor extortioners,
shall inherit the kingdom of God.
And such were some of you.
-1 Corinthians 6:9-11

Knowing this:
that the law is not made for a righteous man,
but for the lawless and disobedient,
for the ungodly and for sinners,
for unholy and profane,
for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers,
for manslayers,
for whoremongers,
for them that defile themselves with mankind ["arsenokoitays"],
for menstealers,
for liars,
for perjured persons,
and if there be any other thing that be contrary to sound doctrine
according to the glorious Gospel of the blessed God.
- 1 Timothy 1:9-11

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

When people truely repent they leave the "OLE" lifestyle....whatever that was...and embrace a new lifestyle that DOES have rules....Jesus was a rule giver....

However whoever appears at our church I always try to welcome them and pray with them...The gospel changes people.

Know ye not that the unrighteous
shall not inherit the kingdom of God?
Be not deceived;
neither fornicators,
nor idolaters,
nor adulterers,
nor effeminate ["malakos"],
nor abusers of themselves with mankind ["arsenokoitays"],
nor thieves,
nor covetous,
nor drunkards,
nor revilers,
nor extortioners,
shall inherit the kingdom of God.
And such were some of you.
-1 Corinthians 6:9-11

Knowing this:
that the law is not made for a righteous man,
but for the lawless and disobedient,
for the ungodly and for sinners,
for unholy and profane,
for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers,
for manslayers,
for whoremongers,
for them that defile themselves with mankind ["arsenokoitays"],
for menstealers,
for liars,
for perjured persons,
and if there be any other thing that be contrary to sound doctrine
according to the glorious Gospel of the blessed God.
- 1 Timothy 1:9-11

Very articulate post....undeniable, they way you presented it!

[shazeep]

yup

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

When people truely repent they leave the "OLE" lifestyle....whatever that was...and embrace a new lifestyle that DOES have rules....Jesus was a rule giver....

However whoever appears at our church I always try to welcome them and pray with them...The gospel changes people.

Know ye not that the unrighteous
shall not inherit the kingdom of God?
Be not deceived;
neither fornicators,
nor idolaters,
nor adulterers,
nor effeminate ["malakos"],
nor abusers of themselves with mankind ["arsenokoitays"],
nor thieves,
nor covetous,
nor drunkards,
nor revilers,
nor extortioners,
shall inherit the kingdom of God.
And such were some of you.
-1 Corinthians 6:9-11

Knowing this:
that the law is not made for a righteous man,
but for the lawless and disobedient,
for the ungodly and for sinners,
for unholy and profane,
for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers,
for manslayers,
for whoremongers,
for them that defile themselves with mankind ["arsenokoitays"],
for menstealers,
for liars,
for perjured persons,
and if there be any other thing that be contrary to sound doctrine
according to the glorious Gospel of the blessed God.
- 1 Timothy 1:9-11

Jesus' blood makes the vilest sinner clean.

[good samaritan]

You can tell a tree by the fruit it bears. I can't make immediate judgments about someone's heart, but by paying attention to their life over a period of time I can discern whether or not they are trying to live for God. There is always a change. Some may be smaller at first, but it is progressive. Others all at once, but there is a change. I know some who come in and still stumble with bad habits, but I firmly believe that if they want God they will have victory. Also when someone makes up their mind they are going to quit something they will and they will do it cold turkey. I have met lots of smokers and some have tried gum, patches, e-cigarettes to wean their selves off. Very small success rate and those who do quit that way really did it themselves it was just mind over matter. When someone determines they are going to do something I believe they can. Including quiting the sin of homosexuality. No weaning necessary.

[houstonupci]

Originally Posted by good samaritan

You can tell a tree by the fruit it bears. I can't make immediate judgments about someone's heart, but by paying attention to their life over a period of time I can discern whether or not they are trying to live for God. There is always a change. Some may be smaller at first, but it is progressive. Others all at once, but there is a change. I know some who come in and still stumble with bad habits, but I firmly believe that if they want God they will have victory. Also when someone makes up their mind they are going to quit something they will and they will do it cold turkey. I have met lots of smokers and some have tried gum, patches, e-cigarettes to wean their selves off. Very small success rate and those who do quit that way really did it themselves it was just mind over matter. When someone determines they are going to do something I believe they can. Including quiting the sin of homosexuality. No weaning necessary.

Homosexuality can only be overcome with God's Spirit. There is no "quitting" homosexuality.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

When people truely repent they leave the "OLE" lifestyle....whatever that was...and embrace a new lifestyle that DOES have rules....Jesus was a rule giver....

However whoever appears at our church I always try to welcome them and pray with them...The gospel changes people.

Know ye not that the unrighteous
shall not inherit the kingdom of God?
Be not deceived;
neither fornicators,
nor idolaters,
nor adulterers,
nor effeminate ["malakos"],
nor abusers of themselves with mankind ["arsenokoitays"],
nor thieves,
nor covetous,
nor drunkards,
nor revilers,
nor extortioners,
shall inherit the kingdom of God.
And such were some of you.
-1 Corinthians 6:9-11

Knowing this:
that the law is not made for a righteous man,
but for the lawless and disobedient,
for the ungodly and for sinners,
for unholy and profane,
for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers,
for manslayers,
for whoremongers,
for them that defile themselves with mankind ["arsenokoitays"],
for menstealers,
for liars,
for perjured persons,
and if there be any other thing that be contrary to sound doctrine
according to the glorious Gospel of the blessed God.
- 1 Timothy 1:9-11

Excellent!

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Jesus' blood makes the vilest sinner clean.

Amen!