Bundy Ranch, BLM, Harry Reid and the Chinese

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by n david

IMO, he made a mess of how he worded it. I understand his sentiment, but the way it's worded comes across as racist.

It is true, Planned Parenthood chooses the minority neighborhoods for their abortion clinics. And unfortunately, a disproportionate number of black men are in jails and prisons. Most for petty drug convictions.

Add to that the lack of family structure and especially the father figure, and it's no wonder their struggle and eventual demise.

Were they better off as slaves? No. That's just absurd. Were they better off when the whole family unit was together, working. Absolutely.

His personal sentiments and the way he chose to express his sentiments do not shock me one bit.

Prejudiced I might be, but people like him thinking the way he expressed himself is exactly what I would expect from people like him. He made the stereotype true-- not unlike other people in other circumstances in America.

[Jermyn Davidson]

http://news.yahoo.com/list-cliven-bu...133625625.html


A classic example of, "THEN" and "NOW" in the world of politics.

I do see something really good in this though.

[n david]

Originally Posted by n david

Tell me the law (in question). Because it's not clear.

On one hand, you have constitutional lawyers saying Bundy has a point with his claim that once NV became a state, fed control of the land should have been returned to the state; on the other hand you claim the law is clear.

So please, post the law in question. What law is clear?

The court order was for cattle ON the PUBLIC land controlled by the BLM to be rounded up and held. Did that happen? NO! FACT, the feds shut down over 1,200 MILES of land, including roads used by local and state traffic. FACT, BLM used multiple helicopters and hired cowboys, along with its own armed response teams to run down the cattle and harrass protesters. FACT, BLM destroyed two water tanks and shot two prized bulls which were in their stalls and not a danger to anyone. FACT, BLM fenced off a small area and demanded protesters stay inside the fenced in area in order to use their first amendment rights. FACT, there were BLM snipers positioned up on a hill against Bundy family members who were simply trying to film cattle. (read Moapa Valley news excerpt below)

Several times you've claimed only the protesters had snipers. This is untrue. Prior to April 12th, it was the BLM who used snipers against the Bundy family.

You claim the BLM was just following the court order; however, the facts show they went well over what the court order gave them authority to do.

Uhm, okay. And a lot of them were neighboring ranchers in NV. What's your point?

Great! However, let's make sure you understand that prior to Saturday, April 12th, when Cliven Bundy gave the ultimatum to stand down; prior to that, Bundy required all the protesters keep their firearms packed away. If you look at the videos prior to the April 12th showdown, no one is armed. Now, what would have happened if on April 12th, these protesters showed up without their weapons? The BLM thugs were in riot gear with automatic assault rifles.

You seem to not understand a simple Reagan concept that won the Cold War...the one with the most weapons wins. Do you think the Cold War was won by the US disarming? No, Reagan won the Cold War by making sure the US had more nukes and bombs than the USSR did.

Same rule applies here. You don't go to a showdown unarmed against BLM thugs armed with assault rifles and riot gear. If they had, I would guarantee you the BLM would have shot tear gas and beat them bloody....which you would have LOVED to watch, I'm sure.

I disagree with the word "legitimate." Again, refer back to the court order that only gave the BLM permission to hold the cattle.

Use of snipers is a great strategy. PO already showed that this alleged strategy of putting women on the front lines was done by the women themselves.

Again, refer to the court order. The BLM overreached. Even the Governor of NV, and other members of Congress said it was a gross overreach by the BLM. They were not conducting "legitimate" operations.

The feds backed down after two things happened: 1) news broke that Hypocrite Harry Reid was using the BLM as a way to grab Bundy ranch land for his solar plant plans; and 2) hundreds of armed Americans showed up to protest the invasion of state land by the feds.

I'll group these two together. Anytime you have a gathering of people, whether they be conservative, liberal, anarchists, etc....you will have others who are from fringe/extremist sides.

Let me help you. First, most militia lean right. I doubt there's a single progressive or left-wing state militia around. So you shouldn't be shocked or try to make a point by saying, "oooohhh, they're extreme right-wing." Militia's in general lean right. Who cares.

And of course you throw in the race card...although, as PO pointed out, the protesters were mixed in race and color, so your race card doesn't stick. Also, I've yet to hear you complain about immigrant protesters and the fact that La Raza and other militant immigrant groups are typically behind any pro-amnesty march.

And more of the race card junk. You seem to be fixated on throwing out the race card lately. Several posts on more than this thread show you accusing anyone and everyone of being racist. I'm just waiting for your criticism of obama's "recent past" close ties with a real domestic terrorist, Bill Ayers. I would think, since you are against people who are against the government, that it would include someone like Bill Ayers who actually took lives and attacked the government.

Tell me again, JD, how many BLM thugs did Bundy and his supporters injure or kill during the standoff? How many shots did they fire? How many BLM thugs did they attack?

Who is this "noted white supremacist" with whom Sheriff Mack collaborated? I'm sure you have a name. Please let me know.

This is offensive. McVeigh was a domestic or homegrown terrorist. He was at war with the government and brutally attacked the government.

Well, I just did. You should examine the truth.

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[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by n david

IMO, he made a mess of how he worded it. I understand his sentiment, but the way it's worded comes across as racist.

It is true, Planned Parenthood chooses the minority neighborhoods for their abortion clinics. And unfortunately, a disproportionate number of black men are in jails and prisons. Most for petty drug convictions.

Add to that the lack of family structure and especially the father figure, and it's no wonder their struggle and eventual demise.

Were they better off as slaves? No. That's just absurd. Were they better off when the whole family unit was together, working. Absolutely.

He isn't saying anything that Star Parker hasn't said. Have you read her book, "Uncle Sam's Plantation"? She can very well speak to this as she was in the welfare system for a number of years and showed how hard it is to scratch and claw to get out of it. I guess it's okay for her to say it because she is a black woman and he is a white man.

I totally understand his point about government overreach. Today they are only a little more free - thanks to our political structure in this country. And I do blame both parties for that. Look at the lawsuit that Gov. Bobby Jindal had to fight in Louisiana to allow minorities to have school choice? I think that's pitiful we have to fight to allow everyone a good education. It should be offered freely in all 50 states. But now, NY is trying to stymie school choice.

I also understand the terminology and expression he would use for his age group. Growing up we didn't have the term "illegals" and so we called them "wetbacks". Why? Because they swam across the Rio Grande. They worked for my father in his fields and were hard workers. We had no prejudice against them. Today is a new breed of dangerous criminals. It's not the same. Many ranchers is the west have stated these people coming here are not the same breed of people who came here looking for work 50 years and more ago.

BREAKING: Cliven Bundy Responds To Charges Of Racism: ‘The Statement Was Right’


“That’s exactly what I said. I said I’m wondering if they’re better off under government subsidy, and their young women are having the abortions and their young men are in jail, and their older women and their children are standing, sitting out on the cement porch without nothing to do, you know, I’m wondering: Are they happier now under this government subsidy system than they were when they were slaves, and they was able to have their family structure together, and the chickens and garden, and the people had something to do? And so, in my mind I’m wondering, are they better off being slaves, in that sense, or better off being slaves to the United States government, in the sense of the subsidies. I’m wondering. That’s what. And the statement was right. I am wondering.”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6UWy9wolLg

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

His personal sentiments and the way he chose to express his sentiments do not shock me one bit.

Prejudiced I might be, but people like him thinking the way he expressed himself is exactly what I would expect from people like him. He made the stereotype true-- not unlike other people in other circumstances in America.

So you are openly admitting that you are a racist? Well, putting that aside. I have a black friend who has just received his 3rd DWI, which is a felony. He will get 10 years. Having destroyed his life, I would that you could keep him in your prayers. I am so sorry for him. He has a drinking problem and jail time isn't going to solve anything for him. I feel so sad today. I wish this hadn't happened.

[Pressing-On]

Cliven Bundy: “Now let me talk about the Spanish people…”

“Now let me talk about the Spanish people,” Bundy said in a new video unearthed by New York magazine, right after he concluded his thoughts on “the Negro.”

“I understand that they come over here against our Constitution and cross our borders,” he says. “But they’re here and they’re people. I worked side-by-side a lot of them. Don’t tell me they don’t work, and don’t tell me they don’t pay taxes. And don’t tell me they don’t have better family structures than most of us white people.”

“When you see those Mexican families, they’re together. They picnic together. They’re spending their time together,” he said. “I’ll tell you, in my way of thinking, they’re awful nice people. We need to have those people join us and be with us.”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agXns-W60MI

He also said, at the 0:22 marker, "We've progressed quite a bit from that day until now, and we sure don't want to go back. We sure don't want these colored people to have to go back to that point."

[n david]

Now that the slave comment has been published, the media will focus on this, instead of the bigger issue with the BLM thuggery.

I understand, and read something this morning about Star Jones saying about the same thing...but it's not the same. He's white, she's black. You see? Just as it's open and acceptable for one black man to call another black man the n-word, but not acceptable for a white man to call a black man the n-word.

Perhaps a way to better relate this: you can talk about your family any way you want...but dare anyone else say something about your family, and the gloves come off.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

So you are openly admitting that you are a racist? Well, putting that aside. I have a black friend who has just received his 3rd DWI, which is a felony. He will get 10 years. Having destroyed his life, I would that you could keep him in your prayers. I am so sorry for him. He has a drinking problem and jail time isn't going to solve anything for him. I feel so sad today. I wish this hadn't happened.

I don't believe JD's saying he's racist...just that he's prejudiced against the stereotype in which he believes Bundy fits. At least that's how I read it.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

His personal sentiments and the way he chose to express his sentiments do not shock me one bit.

Prejudiced I might be, but people like him thinking the way he expressed himself is exactly what I would expect from people like him. He made the stereotype true-- not unlike other people in other circumstances in America.

Please explain what you mean by "people like him." Do you know Bundy? Other than this dispute with the BLM, have you ever heard of Bundy? People like him. Whew buddy, if I were to use that phrase in describing one of last summers flash mobs in Philly, I would've been blasted! "People like him."

JD, you have no idea what Bundy is like, and for that matter, neither do I. I do believe you're speaking out of complete prejudice and total ignorance.

You hate that he stood up to the BLM thugs who went above and beyond what the court gave them permission to do. You hate that he's a white man who owns thousands of acres of land which has been in his family for over a hundred years, speaks his mind and doesn't care about being politically correct.

It wouldn't matter to you if someone found emails from Hypocrite Harry to his former staffer, who is now the head of the BLM, showing that Hypocrite Harry nominated him in exchange for his driving the Bundy's off their property so Hypocrite Harry's son could negotiate a deal with a solar energy company.

Fact be damned with you.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by n david

I don't believe JD's saying he's racist...just that he's prejudiced against the stereotype in which he believes Bundy fits. At least that's how I read it.

Joe Walsh Defends Cliven Bundy's "Racism"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukphP...ature=youtu.be