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Old 12-27-2013, 10:11 PM
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Nothing in what I said was condemning you. Do you want to explain how it works to pick and choose OT laws? That's all this is about.
You said I didn't have ears to hear...that was what Jesus said.
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Several licensed UPC ministers in my state.
are you sure they still do from the pulpit and are still UPC?

I never hear facial hair mentioned at all, not from the pulpit in church meetings nor at Camp
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  4. That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
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Old 12-27-2013, 10:44 PM
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Mike, I noticed several posters posted about goatees, would that be an acceptable beard in your opinion? What about just a mustache? Would that be ok?
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Any beard, goatee, moustache is acceptable to God. And since we are not under the Old Testament even being clean shaven is acceptable.

What is NOT ACCEPTABLE is to teach a lie that a man with a beard is not permitted to preach. Also preaching that "Church Standards" of not accepting men in the Church because he has a beard.

Neither of these lies are acceptable to God.

I have not even seen one attempt to use scripture against wearing beards. Many "Apostolic" preachers do not fear God. They preach doctrines of men rather than of Christ.

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Old 12-28-2013, 03:31 AM
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That's the point. As one newly come to the Apostolic Oneness movement I expected so much! After all the tracts and booklets written by Apostolics I figured their Churches would be so full of life and truth!

Oh what a let down it was. I was in love with this great truth that Jesus/Yeshua was the ultimate revelation of the one true God! And yet the more I searched out Apostolic Churches a painful reality set in.

Once you get past Oneness and Acts 2:38 there was really not much to get excited about. Certainly not as dynamic as the Jesus Movement had been. Not as much love as among the Charismatic movement.

Altho I was appointed an Elder not long afterwards in The Apostolic Gospel Church in Springfield Ohio I was ashamed to ask anyone to come. For all the preaching about Trinity being a man made doctrine to be refused they had their own false traditions that they could not even see.

Its ok somehow FOR US to make up tradition as we go along but not for someone else. To bring people to Churches that teach so obviously false and then have to justify it to seekers of truth was a hard thing to bear and still is.

We were used to in the Jesus Movement taking people off the street , hookers, gays, hippies and so forth preaching Christ to them. So marvelous!

Yet in our Apostolic Church a women came in to visit and on her second visit Pastor blasted her for wearing jewelry. Of course she did not come back. His brother in law visited one night with a beard. AFTER they ran him off then they said how they chased the devil out of the house.

Many of you have similar stories.

Bottom line. The truth of Jesus Only and Acts 2:38 holds me firm to identify myself as "Oneness Pentecostal". I have not returned to Trinitarian Churches since I left in 1980. I still love the Charismatics and Pentecostals who have the Holy Ghost. I love Jesus truth more.

And yes I love the Apostolic Movement probably more for what it started out as (in a historical sense) than what it is now. And I could never fit into Churches that don't baptize in Jesus name.

I sure hope my expose of that which is wrong among Apostolics would not turn anyone from the glorious truth that they (and only they) have found. Yet there is more truth waiting.

My prediction (not thus saith the Lord) is that the current Apostolic orgs and their influence will wane and out of the midst of them will one day be born a new move of God! Overcomers loving truth zealous for Yeshua and willing to forsake all to be his and know him deeply.
I believe this is a good explanation from where Mike is coming from. And it is the truth. I wish every Apostolic Leader would take Posts like this to heart and quit majoring on the minors. Jesus said it best, “straining at gnats and swallowing camels.” while the world goes down hill at a fast pace to face a firey end. And like Mikes example of preachers thinking they have to clean fish, while Jesus is trying to woo them in to the Truth, they are beating the waters with a stick of tradition's, and chasing the fish away.

If a person is truly born again, God will clean them up from the inside out and false traditions of men, will just hinder the process.
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Old 12-28-2013, 06:23 AM
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MtD - when was the last time you've visited an apostolic or UPC church? You mentioned leaving in the 80s, but I'm sure you've visited since then, right?
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Yes, because they have been taught to believe that the measure of holiness is in how one looks (dress length, hair style, no jewelry, sleeve length, no facial hair). Platform standard implies 'holy enough to minister'.
I have been attending a non-standards Pentecostal church for a few years now. After getting over the initial shock of seeing women, including my pastor's wife, on the platform in not only pants but jeans as well....

I no longer notice what people are wearing or what jewelry they have on or how short their hair might be. It just occurred to me that I haven't done that for a while now.
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I have been attending a non-standards Pentecostal church for a few years now. After getting over the initial shock of seeing women, including my pastor's wife, on the platform in not only pants but jeans as well....

I no longer notice what people are wearing or what jewelry they have on or how short their hair might be. It just occurred to me that I haven't done that for a while now.
When we left my first experience was to judge everybody on the platform and the pastor for the lack of holiness and reverence to God based upon the lack of suits and skirts. Shame on me!

Then God showed up like a mighty rushing wind with His still small voice, in a Trinitarian church.
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Is the horse dead?
Brother, we are Pentecostals and we are all about raising the dead.
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