To tithe or not to tithe?

[AreYouReady?]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

you know it's amazing when you post something like you did to me, then when I reciprocate you get belligerent.

Oh you poor thing!
And you are going to say you did not post anything belligerent????

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by AreYouReady?

You don't consider casting a doubt on my intentions an accusation?



Sorry, but I do consider your words to be an accusation.

I didn't cast doubt as to your intentions. I stated MY opinion on the topic of pastors and tithing and what work others should be doing and you were the one that took it to a PERSONAL level with your insults.

[AreYouReady?]

Originally Posted by DaveC519

AreYouReady,

I realize you addressed this to Prax, but I'd like to throw in my two-cents worth.

From my own observations and experience, I see that many pastors shoulder an undue amount of the workload in a church for more than one reason. One reason is that they've either never learned to delegate, or they choose not to. But even Moses had to learn how to delegate, in both civil (Ex 18:13-26) and spiritual (Nu 11:16-17) matters.

Another reason is that there are some in the flock that are all too happy to let the pastor do it all, since he's the one on the payroll. But just as Moses cried out to God for help, so pastors must seek God to raise up help for him, and then seek God how to train them.

And some pastors have the personality type which compels them NOT to delegate because they think it would just be faster and more efficient to do something themselves rather than train someone else to do it. While this might be true in the short term, it will inevitably put them on a fast track to burnout.

I agree Dave. Jethro told Moses that it wasn't a good thing for him to sit and
judge the people all the day long.

This is the point I am trying to make that since we are all in the body of Christ, we are all supposed to share in the duties of the ministry and in deed.
The pastor is but one man and Christ is the head, and the rest of the people are parts of the body of Christ...right down to the little toe joint.

We as christians waste a lot of money on mortgages, utilities and many other things that the money could be put to better use.

Exodus 18: 13-27
13¶And it came to pass on the morrow, that Moses sat to judge the people: and the people stood by Moses from the morning unto the evening.
14 And when Moses' father in law saw all that he did to the people, he said, What is this thing that thou doest to the people? why sittest thou thyself alone, and all the people stand by thee from morning unto even?
15 And Moses said unto his father in law, Because the people come unto me to enquire of God:
16 When they have a matter, they come unto me; and I judge between one and another, and I do make them know the statutes of God, and his laws.
17 And Moses' father in law said unto him, The thing that thou doest is not good.
18 Thou wilt surely wear away, both thou, and this people that is with thee: for this thing is too heavy for thee; thou art not able to perform it thyself alone.
19 Hearken now unto my voice, I will give thee counsel, and God shall be with thee: Be thou for the people to God-ward, that thou mayest bring the causes unto God:
20 And thou shalt teach them ordinances and laws, and shalt shew them the way wherein they must walk, and the work that they must do.
21 Moreover thou shalt provide out of all the people able men, such as fear God, men of truth, hating covetousness; and place such over them, to be rulers of thousands, and rulers of hundreds, rulers of fifties, and rulers of tens:
22 And let them judge the people at all seasons: and it shall be, that every great matter they shall bring unto thee, but every small matter they shall judge: so shall it be easier for thyself, and they shall bear the burden with thee.
23 If thou shalt do this thing, and God command thee so, then thou shalt be able to endure, and all this people shall also go to their place in peace.
24 So Moses hearkened to the voice of his father in law, and did all that he had said.
25 And Moses chose able men out of all Israel, and made them heads over the people, rulers of thousands, rulers of hundreds, rulers of fifties, and rulers of tens.
26 And they judged the people at all seasons: the hard causes they brought unto Moses, but every small matter they judged themselves.
27 ¶And Moses let his father in law depart; and he went his way into his own land.

[AreYouReady?]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

I didn't cast doubt as to your intentions. I stated MY opinion on the topic of pastors and tithing and what work others should be doing and you were the one that took it to a PERSONAL level with your insults.

What insult?

[AreYouReady?]

Originally Posted by AreYouReady?

I agree Dave. Jethro told Moses that it wasn't a good thing for him to sit and
judge the people all the day long.

This is the point I am trying to make that since we are all in the body of Christ, we are all supposed to share in the duties of the ministry and in deed.
The pastor is but one man and Christ is the head, and the rest of the people are parts of the body of Christ...right down to the little toe joint.

We as christians waste a lot of money on mortgages, utilities and many other things that the money could be put to better use.

Exodus 18: 13-27
13¶And it came to pass on the morrow, that Moses sat to judge the people: and the people stood by Moses from the morning unto the evening.
14 And when Moses' father in law saw all that he did to the people, he said, What is this thing that thou doest to the people? why sittest thou thyself alone, and all the people stand by thee from morning unto even?
15 And Moses said unto his father in law, Because the people come unto me to enquire of God:
16 When they have a matter, they come unto me; and I judge between one and another, and I do make them know the statutes of God, and his laws.
17 And Moses' father in law said unto him, The thing that thou doest is not good.
18 Thou wilt surely wear away, both thou, and this people that is with thee: for this thing is too heavy for thee; thou art not able to perform it thyself alone.
19 Hearken now unto my voice, I will give thee counsel, and God shall be with thee: Be thou for the people to God-ward, that thou mayest bring the causes unto God:
20 And thou shalt teach them ordinances and laws, and shalt shew them the way wherein they must walk, and the work that they must do.
21 Moreover thou shalt provide out of all the people able men, such as fear God, men of truth, hating covetousness; and place such over them, to be rulers of thousands, and rulers of hundreds, rulers of fifties, and rulers of tens:
22 And let them judge the people at all seasons: and it shall be, that every great matter they shall bring unto thee, but every small matter they shall judge: so shall it be easier for thyself, and they shall bear the burden with thee.
23 If thou shalt do this thing, and God command thee so, then thou shalt be able to endure, and all this people shall also go to their place in peace.
24 So Moses hearkened to the voice of his father in law, and did all that he had said.
25 And Moses chose able men out of all Israel, and made them heads over the people, rulers of thousands, rulers of hundreds, rulers of fifties, and rulers of tens.
26 And they judged the people at all seasons: the hard causes they brought unto Moses, but every small matter they judged themselves.
27 ¶And Moses let his father in law depart; and he went his way into his own land.

Is this somebody's idea of a joke? To insert a baby sucking a pacifier in my post?

I did not put the big baby emoticon in my post.

I find that to be quite immature for somebody, and you know who you are, to edit somebody else's post because of a disagreement.

Most likely you will take it out because I said something about it now. I will take a screenshot.

Now who is being insulting?

[Rudy]

I'm way late on this one.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by AreYouReady?

Never mind Prax.

You are not on the same page as I.

You haven't a clue as to what I am trying to convey.

Originally Posted by AreYouReady?

Of course you are going to be contrary to me. You sound like a bitter old man accusing me of something I did not do nor had any intention of doing.

YOU engaged my post first without even thinking about what I am trying to convey.

Originally Posted by AreYouReady?

What insult?

Now show me where I accused you of anything?

I simply did what you did, state facts about full time Pastors, non-Pastors and tithing. I didn't accuse you of anything until after you became belligerent and insulting.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by AreYouReady?

Is this somebody's idea of a joke? To insert a baby sucking a pacifier in my post?

I did not put the big baby emoticon in my post.

I find that to be quite immature for somebody, and you know who you are, to edit somebody else's post because of a disagreement.

Most likely you will take it out because I said something about it now. I will take a screenshot.

Now who is being insulting?

Nobody edited what you posted.

If you type certain characters the forum recognizes them as smilies.

[houston]

Originally Posted by DaveC519

Hi houston,

You don't attend a church? Did you recently move and haven't found one yet?

I moved a year ago. I visited a church for a few months. Then my schedule changed. Haven't attended anywhere since.

[Cindy]

Originally Posted by AreYouReady?

Is this somebody's idea of a joke? To insert a baby sucking a pacifier in my post?

I did not put the big baby emoticon in my post.

I find that to be quite immature for somebody, and you know who you are, to edit somebody else's post because of a disagreement.

Most likely you will take it out because I said something about it now. I will take a screenshot.

Now who is being insulting?

Are you accusing Prax of editing your post?