Prominent Memphis Area Pastor Resigns - Page 15

Truthseeker · #**141** 10-03-2012, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael Phelps

Explain......what do you feel the Biblical model for a church is?

really?

HolyFire · #**142** 10-03-2012, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

True and is still a recipe for disaster

Most of the time, but they were God called and good people. The son-in-law started an inner city church, I believe. It doesnt get more ghetto than inner city Memphis.

Truthseeker · #**143** 10-03-2012, 02:51 PM

J/K

I believe its clear local church was runned by elderS/overseerS?

Michael Phelps · #**144** 10-03-2012, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Truthseeker

J/K

I believe its clear local church was runned by elderS/overseerS?

Ok, fair enough....but, it was still a business, wasn't it? I mean, they kept track of donations, used the finances to reach the lost, provide food for the hungry, etc.

And, I don't see anywhere in scripture where it was forbidden for them to place family members in positions of authority in the church.

That's my point. There are pastors who run the church like a personal income source, and that's wrong. No accountability creates a recipe for disaster.

However, having the church run as a business with overseers (deacons, board members, etc.) and stakeholders (tithepayers) holds pretty close to the Biblical model, as I see it.

rgcraig · #**145** 10-03-2012, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael Phelps

Ok, fair enough....but, it was still a business, wasn't it? I mean, they kept track of donations, used the finances to reach the lost, provide food for the hungry, etc.

And, I don't see anywhere in scripture where it was forbidden for them to place family members in positions of authority in the church.

That's my point. There are pastors who run the church like a personal income source, and that's wrong. No accountability creates a recipe for disaster.

However, having the church run as a business with overseers (deacons, board members, etc.) and stakeholders (tithepayers) holds pretty close to the Biblical model, as I see it.

That's where I was disagreeing. Running a church to make a profit and pass that down to your son is wrong.

LooneyLucy · #**146** 10-03-2012, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Monterrey

WOW!!!

Talk about preconceived ideas.....

That is as wrong as wrong could be.

MANY?

Put "A few" in there would be more like the truth.

Growing up in a pastors home is tough.

Always on display, always be examined with a fine toothed comb...

That preachers kids even make it is a miracle with hardness like you exhibit being thrown against them.

I'm guessing you're a youngin. I could make a huge long list of names. There are MANY!!!! Daddy or grandpa carved out the church and the kids now live in HIGH style and always have.

Truthseeker · #**147** 10-03-2012, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael Phelps

Ok, fair enough....but, it was still a business, wasn't it? I mean, they kept track of donations, used the finances to reach the lost, provide food for the hungry, etc.

And, I don't see anywhere in scripture where it was forbidden for them to place family members in positions of authority in the church.

That's my point. There are pastors who run the church like a personal income source, and that's wrong. No accountability creates a recipe for disaster.

However, having the church run as a business with overseers (deacons, board members, etc.) and stakeholders (tithepayers) holds pretty close to the Biblical model, as I see it.

I dont think it was runned with mindset like today. I wasn't saying family can't be in leadership but alot of times its just plain family affair. Its just the way it is.

LooneyLucy · #**148** 10-03-2012, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by rgcraig

I do agree many churches wouldn't have the problems they have if they did run it like you are explaining. Accountability!

I personally know a "prominent" family who ran it as a business alright. The church had credit cards to pay for EVERYTHING for them, including the grandson's girlfriend's $5,000.00 engagement ring.

LooneyLucy · #**149** 10-03-2012, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Truthseeker

I dont think was runned with mindset like today. I wasn't saying family can't be in leadership but alot of times its just plain family affair. Its just the way it is.

And I am not totally against it, so long as it is GOD'S will and not just mans.

MissBrattified · #**150** 10-03-2012, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by LooneyLucy

Agreed, and many times that "son" was born with a silver spoon in his mouth and has never been through nothin', thus he cannot even relate to the hurting ones in the pew.

Um. You really can't possibly know this. Growing up as a PK I experienced a lot of hurts that those in the pew can't identify with--however, most people have experienced hurt in general and we can all commiserate at that level.