And the response would be, "So a call to smear the perpetrator is understandable?"
The answer is, "No." To say that murder is a serious crime is an understatement. The person who kills a minor or an adult in the way this tragedy unfolded should have been subjected to much more scrutiny a WHOLE LOT SOONER than now.
That much needed scrutiny wouldn't be happening today if there wasn't the outcry.
So while you're contemplating the guilt of the victim, remember that if the media didn't expose this, we wouldn't be hearing about it and Martin would be just another young dead black male.
Doesn't this case deserve more scrutiny?
Again, if it wasn't for the media, it wouldn't be happening.
Thank God for America.
Thank God for freedom of press.
Thank God for the Federal government.
Thank God that TODAY most Americans in their gut believe that something wrong was done and that zimbo should be brought to justice.
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If Zimmerman had been black and Martin a white boy, would Zimmerman be in jail?
Good question. I honestly think that given the particulars of this case, a black Zimmerman would not have walked away...and I would be just as opposed to a black Zimmerman walking away after hearing this same 911 call.
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If Zimmerman had been black and Martin a white boy, would Zimmerman be in jail?
My gut says yes, but honestly I don't know. It's not the way it unfolded.
Another reality is that cops are often used to running across young black males as the victims of homicides.
Young white males just aren't being murdered and murdering each other at the same rate that is happening among black males-- and this trend didn't just start yesterday.
Like I alluded to in an earlier post-- to those Sanford Police Officers, Trayvon was just another dead young black male and I am sure they were synical about his intents, even though he didn't have anything illegal on his person, even though ultimately Trayvon Martin was the victim.
The Sanford Police tested the dead body of Trayvon Martin for drugs, but not his mentally unstable murderer.
Calloused and jaded.
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Last edited by Jermyn Davidson; 03-26-2012 at 10:23 PM.
I'll try to state my position one more time before I just accept defeat in this matter .
Forget the race of the people involved for one second. If any one American decides to follow any other American in our free country who is guilty of nothing discernible, I guess that is his prerogative (I don't like it, but oh well). If said person calls 9-1-1, says "These (expletives), they always get away" and "(Expletive) he's running away from me", he has crossed well over the line.
If the person is told by the law enforcement agency he contacted to not give chase (at this point chase for what?) and he disregards that instruction and kills the person who ran away, he should not be walking away from jail that night a free man. Period.
This would be true to me if the man was green and the boy was purple. Where race has been interjected is in the discussion of A. would the boy had been chased in the first place if he wasn't black and B. if the police would have been more hesitant to outright release the shooter if all facts remained the same, but the boy was white.
tstew, I agree that the guy should have followed the cops orders. This is a tragedy no matter how you look at it. What I despise is the victimology crowd (Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton & Co) once again trying to work black folks up into a frenzy so that they in turn kill a few innocent white people (ala Rodney King incident). They ought to be ashamed of themselves for not being voices of reason. You can demand justice while still being reasonable.
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My gut says yes, but honestly I don't know. It's not the way it unfolded.
Another reality is that cops are often used to running across young black males as the victims of homicides.
Young white males just aren't being murdered and murdering each other at the same rate that is happening among black males-- and this trend didn't just start yesterday.
Like I alluded to in an earlier post-- to those Sanford Police Officers, Trayvon was just another dead young black male and I am sure they were synical about his intents, even though he didn't have anything illegal on his person, even though ultimately Trayvon Martin was the victim.
The Sanford Police tested the dead body of Trayvon Martin for drugs, but not his mentally unstable murderer.
Calloused and jaded.
This is a serious possibility.
It makes the case sad and pretty tragic.
However we can't lock Zimmerman up without sufficient evidence, and we shouldn't. Due process of law isn't perfect but God has the final say.
tstew, I agree that the guy should have followed the cops orders. This is a tragedy no matter how you look at it. What I despise is the victimology crowd (Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton & Co) once again trying to work black folks up into a frenzy so that they in turn kill a few innocent white people (ala Rodney King incident). They ought to be ashamed of themselves for not being voices of reason. You can demand justice while still being reasonable.
I resent that.
Al Sharpton CAN NOT throw me in a frenzy.
Jesse Jackson did recently when I saw him while watching Whitney Houston's funeral on CNN. He was just sitting in the front like a bump on a log not contributing anything to the service. It absolutely erked me.
Besides, none of this is relevent to what happened the night in discussion.
Martin wasn't dealing drugs. Drugs were not found on his person, neither were they found in his system.
A call to not rush to judgment is undestandable. A call to smear the dead 17 year old is not.
Aren't you rushing to judgment calling Zimmerman a "mentally unstable murderer"?
I'm just putting out a few facts about Trayvon that the media is not telling us while presenting him as a clean 8-year old. He has pictures on MySpace they can use and posts from his Twitter account.
Anyway, because of how the media has distorted the image of both of these guys, I am not trusting what the media is telling us. The media is stirring up hysteria along with the Racist Pimp, Al Sharpton. I don't know why you are praising the media.
tstew, I agree that the guy should have followed the cops orders. This is a tragedy no matter how you look at it. What I despise is the victimology crowd (Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton & Co) once again trying to work black folks up into a frenzy so that they in turn kill a few innocent white people (ala Rodney King incident). They ought to be ashamed of themselves for not being voices of reason. You can demand justice while still being reasonable.
To me, it is usually best to ignore those on both extremes of an issue. If I were to go see what the radical white supremists were saying about this situation and allow it to be reflective of what I felt the "white position" is, it would be useless, counter-productive, and polarizing. Forget Al Sharpton. This is not about him. He has absolutely nothing to do with my assessment of what I and millions of other people of all races heard and observed in this situation.
Believe it or not, there are millions of black people who have never listened to a Sharpton speech and are not affected one iota by what he says or does...
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To me, it is usually best to ignore those on both extremes of an issue. If I were to go see what the radical white supremists were saying about this situation and allow it to be reflective of what I felt the "white position" is, it would be useless, counter-productive, and polarizing. Forget Al Sharpton. This is not about him. He has absolutely nothing to do with my assessment of what I and millions of other people of all races heard and observed in this situation.
Believe it or not, there are millions of black people who have never listened to a Sharpton speech and are not affected one iota by what he says or does...
But he certainly lends voice to a huge sector of the population.
Jesse Jackson did recently when I saw him while watching Whitney Houston's funeral on CNN. He was just sitting in the front like a bump on a log not contributing anything to the service. It absolutely erked me.
I did not see this when I responded about how so many black people are not affected by Sharpton and his ilk...
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