Where do the lost spend eternity? Really!

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Timmy

Yes, if it's real. A Mormon could make the same argument about their faith. So could Muslims, JWs, etc. Those folks refer to their beliefs as "the truth", just like you folks do. They think they have good reasons for believing as they do, just like you do. Some of them even think they have the correct understanding of the Bible. Just like you!

Bro Eastman though is referring to a biblical truth and not merely a "faith". If Mormons pointed to the bible and said "Look God heals" I would agree with them that this is a biblical experience. Bro E is here talking about the baptism of the Holy Spirit, which is a biblical experience.

You know even early Methodists during the time of Wesley experienced speaking in tongues. Are you saying it is not real?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Timmy

As for whether it's real, I'm not saying it is or isn't. I just said "if". That's what this is all about, isn't it? Me learning what you folks believe, and deciding for myself if I buy it or not?

Well the "huffy" part is that you add these little comments which sound like snide comments when you say on the one hand you want to know what we believe, but then you add the other comments like what you said to Bro E about dispairing for you. If all you want to do is know what we believe in why then why not stick with just that part?

What does the bible say? I keep stressing this point and you keep saying that's all you are doing but these discussions really do seem to hinge a lot on emotive appeal

[Timmy]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Bro Eastman though is referring to a biblical truth and not merely a "faith". If Mormons pointed to the bible and said "Look God heals" I would agree with them that this is a biblical experience. Bro E is here talking about the baptism of the Holy Spirit, which is a biblical experience.

You know even early Methodists during the time of Wesley experienced speaking in tongues. Are you saying it is not real?

So did early Mormons, and so do some Hindus. Are their tongues real?

I haven't said whether tongues are real or not. I'll give you my opinion on this matter, if you really want me to.

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Well the "huffy" part is that you add these little comments which sound like snide comments when you say on the one hand you want to know what we believe, but then you add the other comments like what you said to Bro E about dispairing for you. If all you want to do is know what we believe in why then why not stick with just that part?

It sounded snide to say "don't despair for me"? I didn't intend it that way. Didn't even mean to imply that he was despairing for me. Thought my comment about the JWs' chances would make that clear.

Was it snide to ask you if something I concluded from your post and what I thought I knew about Apostolic teachings was correct?

What does the bible say? I keep stressing this point and you keep saying that's all you are doing but these discussions really do seem to hinge a lot on emotive appeal

Perhaps some of the questions I have asked have an emotional aspect, such as when I asked about my grandma's eternal fate. But you people make broad general statements that, if true, can have a huge specific emotional impact! Do you believe what you say, or not? Do your generalities apply to specifics, or not?

Did you see my post about whether I was a troll? Going to respond?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Timmy

So did early Mormons, and so do some Hindus. Are their tongues real?

Did Bro E ask if you received his tongues? I thought the question was the biblical experience...have you received it? And maybe some early mormons DID speak in tongues. If you study early Mormonism you will see that their doctrine changed a lot over time. Hindus? I never hear them speak in tongues or what circumstances it was...can you give me an example to check out?

I haven't said whether tongues are real or not. I'll give you my opinion on this matter, if you really want me to.

The biblical experience of tongues. Did the Methodist really speak in tongues?

It sounded snide to say "don't despair for me"? I didn't intend it that way. Didn't even mean to imply that he was despairing for me. Thought my comment about the JWs' chances would make that clear.

It may have sounded that way to him....in the midst of what was hoped to be a biblical discussion it can be confusing when people make off the wall remarks like that.

Perhaps some of the questions I have asked have an emotional aspect, such as when I asked about my grandma's eternal fate. But you people make broad general statements that, if true, can have a huge specific emotional impact! Do you believe what you say, or not? Do your generalities apply to specifics, or not?

See your grandma's eternal fate does not determine yours or anyone elses. As soon as we emotionalize the word of God we lose perspective. We might all end up being Unitarian Universalists or gay accepting congregations because we are going by emotional reasoning and not on what the bible says. If what the bible says means a loved on was lost and went to hell, should we accept it or look for another path?

Did you see my post about whether I was a troll? Going to respond?

yes. You keep saying you are here just to find out what we believe and yet here we go again. Are you really here to discuss the scriptures and what we believe?

[Timmy]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Did Bro E ask if you received his tongues? I thought the question was the biblical experience...have you received it?

Thought I had, but I realised later it was fake. Gibberish I made up, but it didn't seem to bother anyone.

And maybe some early mormons DID speak in tongues. If you study early Mormonism you will see that their doctrine changed a lot over time. Hindus? I never hear them speak in tongues or what circumstances it was...can you give me an example to check out?

http://mudrashram.com/glossarypage.html#G
http://www.mudrashram.com/kundaliniarousalscale.html

The biblical experience of tongues. Did the Methodist really speak in tongues?

I don't know.

It may have sounded that way to him....in the midst of what was hoped to be a biblical discussion it can be confusing when people make off the wall remarks like that.

Sorry for the off-the-wall comment, then.

See your grandma's eternal fate does not determine yours or anyone elses.

True. Didn't say it did.

As soon as we emotionalize the word of God we lose perspective. We might all end up being Unitarian Universalists or gay accepting congregations because we are going by emotional reasoning and not on what the bible says. If what the bible says means a loved on was lost and went to hell, should we accept it or look for another path?

I would accept it, without emotion.

yes. You keep saying you are here just to find out what we believe and yet here we go again. Are you really here to discuss the scriptures and what we believe?

No. You caught me, red-handed. I'm just a troll. You have amazing discernment.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Timmy

Thought I had, but I realised later it was fake. Gibberish I made up, but it didn't seem to bother anyone.

So you just made it up? I can honestly say when I first had this experience I was not making up anything. It was so profound. In fact I was expecting it for more than 6 months when it occured. If I wanted to make it up I would have done it the first week and be done with it.

I don't doubt though that you faked it. I am sure others have.

http://mudrashram.com/glossarypage.html#G
http://www.mudrashram.com/kundaliniarousalscale.html

Thank you

I don't know.

But you do know the history there right? The early methodists often experienced tongues and other miracles. The campbellites did. The current Pentecostal movement started with similiar minded people.

I would accept it, without emotion.

Good...what topic is next?

No. You caught me, red-handed. I'm just a troll. You have amazing discernment.

Some trolls are green...others are smelly and some are downright sarcastic

[Felicity]

Where do the lost spend eternity?

Any decision or consensus on this yet?

[Praxeas]

The Lake O Fire

[Arphaxad]

"Some trolls are green...others are smelly and some are downright sarcastic"



I know some trolls, goblins, and gollywoggles. They aren't very nice.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Arphaxad

"Some trolls are green...others are smelly and some are downright sarcastic"



I know some trolls, goblins, and gollywoggles. They aren't very nice.

gollywoggles....weren't those the cute little creatures on that tim allen star trek spoof that turned on one of their injured own and ate him?