Did God use evolution to create life

[coadie]

Originally Posted by pelathais

No. You lied. You did not study genetics at a graduate level at an Ivy League school as you boasted. You simply lied. That's not an "attack." That's a fact. You would have at least addressed that by now if you were telling the truth. Instead, you prevaricate.

You lie to churches and to people on this forum, and you don't even feel any guilt about it. But let someone call you on one of your lies and you pop yet another vein.

Where do you get your information?

At which university have i taught? Which years?

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by kristian's_mom

Posted a question, came back and the thread is 14 pages long.

It's a long argument.

I have tried for some time to get the loudest voices that have been speaking out against biological evolution in the OP world to step up to the plate and actually answer some questions publicly. Arlo Moehlenpah just laughs nervously on the phone (I've known him for almost 30 years) and responds to my email requests with these weird answers like "I CANT TypE!!" Seriously.

Everyone behaves just like coadie has here over the past 24 hours. And give him this, he is behaving a bit better than he did last time. Last time he was banned with about the longest banning I've ever seen on AFF.

The idea that biological evolution HAS occurred is so grounded in fact that to deny it one must degenerate to the types of stunts and fraud that coadie has perpetuated here. Either that, or ignore the question like most everyone else does.

Yet there is a beauty in the history of life on this planet. There is a lot of sorrow and grief as well; but the sorrow is the same sadness that every generation of organisms must face at some point. Jesus Christ gives a hope that this sorrow will ultimately be defeated. To me, it's a wonderful hope.

[BroGary]

The cleverly devised fable of evolution reminded me of these verses:

1 Timothy 6:20, 21 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:

Which some professing have erred concerning the faith.

2 Timothy 4:3,4
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

Romans 1:18-23
For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by pelathais

No. You lied. You did not study genetics at a graduate level at an Ivy League school as you boasted. You simply lied. That's not an "attack." That's a fact. You would have at least addressed that by now if you were telling the truth. Instead, you prevaricate.

You lie to churches and to people on this forum, and you don't even feel any guilt about it. But let someone call you on one of your lies and you pop yet another vein.

Which vein?
Name the churches I have lied to.

Get an evolutionist wound up and they start making false witness.

I have fun with the darwiniacs. I don't name my schools and they have nothing to attack. Just hand waving.

Now can you settle down and ponder how the bird flow thru lungs came from reptile lungs without a spontaneous pneumo thorax and asphyxiation?

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by pelathais

The creation accounts (there are two distinct though related accounts) predate the Exile. These accounts along with many other inspired Hebrew literary works, which includes the Law of Moses, were collected together by the Sopherim (scribes) lead by Ezra the Scribe (Sopher - Ezra 7:1-6) in the post Exile period (around 444 BC).

Also, when it comes to the "literal creation" of Adam and Eve I am speaking of the process whereby their much more primitive progenitors developed along the lines as described by the evolutionary model. This is how God literally created them - and you and I.

If that means what I am understanding it to mean, that is the most ridiculous statement I've ever read from christian.

Are you saying (hopefully I'm misunderstanding) that the slime, the monkeys, or whatever eventually BECAME man (called Adam) is how God created man?

(sorry for not being more involved in this thread, been busy on another one, and I cant keep up with yours and coadies back & forth)

[coadie]

Originally Posted by BroGary

The cleverly devised fable of evolution reminded me of these verses:

1 Timothy 6:20, 21 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:

Which some professing have erred concerning the faith.

2 Timothy 4:3,4
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

Romans 1:18-23
For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

Romans 1 explains this.

In a recent post Denyse O’Leary linked to a news story coverning Pekka Eric Auvinen, the Finnish student who killed eight in a shooting spree at his school. Apparently Auvinen was an ardent Darwinist who considered himself to be an instrument of natural selection. He wrote: “I, as a natural selector, will eliminate all who I see unfit, disgaces of human race and failures of natural selection.”

One of O’Leary’s interlocutors more or less accused her of cherry picking her data to push her personal religious agenda. Apparently this person believes this case is an aberation, and it is unfair to suggest a connection between Darwin’s theory and a school shooter’s self understanding as an instrument of natural selection. Not so.

The Darwinists and the brainwashing.


from darwin to hitler: evolutionary ethics, eugenics, and racism in germany. by. richard weikart

The Origin of Species
by Means of Natural Selection,
or
The Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life
First Edition

Darwin deserves a lot of credit for racist agendas. Race warfare from Darwin
And class warfare in Mein kampf

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/origin.html

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

If that means what I am understanding it to mean, that is the most ridiculous statement I've ever read from christian.

Are you saying (hopefully I'm misunderstanding) that the slime, the monkeys, or whatever eventually BECAME man (called Adam) is how God created man?

(sorry for not being more involved in this thread, been busy on another one, and I cant keep up with yours and coadies back & forth)

That is Darwinian evolution.

Common ancestry.

[kristian's_mom]

I see our whole existence as one big chain of events. Every small thing that happens has a reason, and is necessary for the outcome that God ultimately intends. We can only see and understand one piece of the puzzle at a time, it is impossible for us to put every single piece together and see the bigger picture.

God knows all the variables and he knows exactly the outcome of what one small, seemingly insignificant change can have on the bigger picture. He manipulates events for the greater good of ALL.

If God created the world through evolution, he would still have been involved in the process every small step of the way. Every slight change in DNA that yielded a new species would have been perfectly guided by his hand. I do not see evolution as an enemy of the Bible in any way.

The fact of the matter is, we have found evidence that dates our existence and the earth a lot older than what we thought. You can't ignore that. One can only come to the conclusion that what we previously thought to be true was wrong.

We did not know about things like cells and dna until very recently. If God was going to explain to us how he created the world, would he take the time to tell us in scientific terms? Would he try to explain how he fused atoms together? What holds them together? Or would he merely just say "I created you from the earth"? Most people these days don't understand things like that, much less our ancestors.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by kristian's_mom

I see our whole existence as one big chain of events. Every small thing that happens has a reason, and is necessary for the outcome that God ultimately intends. We can only see and understand one piece of the puzzle at a time, it is impossible for us to put every single piece together and see the bigger picture.

God knows all the variables and he knows exactly the outcome of what one small, seemingly insignificant change can have on the bigger picture. He manipulates events for the greater good of ALL.

If God created the world through evolution, he would still have been involved in the process every small step of the way. Every slight change in DNA that yielded a new species would have been perfectly guided by his hand. I do not see evolution as an enemy of the Bible in any way.

The fact of the matter is, we have found evidence that dates our existence and the earth a lot older than what we thought. You can't ignore that. One can only come to the conclusion that what we previously thought to be true was wrong.

We did not know about things like cells and dna until very recently. If God was going to explain to us how he created the world, would he take the time to tell us in scientific terms? Would he try to explain how he fused atoms together? What holds them together? Or would he merely just say "I created you from the earth"? Most people these days don't understand things like that, much less our ancestors.

Darwin didn't know about DNA. Actaully the words to describe science were not even invented.

[Bowas]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

If that means what I am understanding it to mean, that is the most ridiculous statement I've ever read from christian.

Are you saying (hopefully I'm misunderstanding) that the slime, the monkeys, or whatever eventually BECAME man (called Adam) is how God created man?

(sorry for not being more involved in this thread, been busy on another one, and I cant keep up with yours and coadies back & forth)

A simple read of the account actually declares man was formed from the DUST, which is even lower than the "slime' and/or "monkeys".
So one can say, dust (or natural elements) became man.