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[Brother Price]

Originally Posted by BrotherEastman

We do not know the exact verbage of what Peter said????? Hogwash!!!!!

Amen!

This reasoning is used strongly by those in trinitarianism and easy believism, because they want to cast doubt and blindness as to the veracity of the Word. They desire to blind the people to the Word, so they can have others walk that wide and crooked road with them.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

I'm still more Apostolic than Epley.

Dan believe me I only wish that was so. I know we butt heads and spar words but in honesty I have become afraid for you. You are in my prayers.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by JTULLOCK

Listen Epley. The question was what would I do. In Acts when they asked Peter what to do in response to the MESSAGE he told them. They did not asked what I need to do to be saved. They already had received the HG but that had to be after they repented. Peter was in essence tell them this, you are forgiven and filled with his spirit. Now what you need to do is be baptized to complete the whole salvation process. Also he told them this so when they went forward "And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers." That is the way to teach from now on. But he never told them that it is salvational. He already told them in Acts 2:21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Call on Him. He will call you to change......

Epley you are a crazy con. Do not forget the middle ground

You are very confused Peter is NOT addressing those who had recieved the HG but those who were asking about their experience the multitude.

[ILG]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

I hate all sin ... including ... bombastic dogmatic judgmentalism

LOL!

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Dan believe me I only wish that was so. I know we butt heads and spar words but in honesty I have become afraid for you. You are in my prayers.

I appreciate your prayers .. Elder ... in a time that they are much needed ... pray that my faith will increase ... as it has in the last few months.

[Jack Shephard]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

You are very confused Peter is NOT addressing those who had recieved the HG but those who were asking about their experience the multitude.

You are right my mistaken in saying that.... What I mean is the people he was talking to asked what is should our response be to the Message.

Let me ask you this...when the Word says, "Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls." Why were they added to the church if they had not receive the HG? We do not practice this today! Because cons like you say that they are not saved until the HG has filled them so that would mean they have not joined "the Church." But here they were added without tongues??

Originally Posted by JTULLOCK

Dude if Peter would have said, "stand up. put your right arm in and your right arm in and shake it all about. do the HG pokey and turn yourself around. that's what it's all about." Then that would be what we would tell people to do to become "saved?" C'mon

Look, at that point Peter was anointed by God. But always remember we are the flesh filters of the spirit of God. I am sure you all have messed up in saying something under the anointing. I am not saying Peter lied or misspoke here. What I am saying is he said what came in his mind from God. We do not know the exact verbage of what was said. If you think the Bible is verbatim everything said and done, you might be wrong.

This explains it all... more confidence in man's fallibility than in God's ability! When your foundation is one of doubt it is significantly easier to be led into deceit!

Talk about abject relativity ... it sinks below moral relativity and borders on reprobation to believe that God could not, in spite of man's attempts to filter it, produce His Word, infallible to every generation!

[Jack Shephard]

Originally Posted by philjones

This explains it all... more confidence in man's fallibility than in God's ability! When your foundation is one of doubt it is significantly easier to be led into deceit!

Talk about abject relativity ... it sinks below moral relativity and borders on reprobation to believe that God could not, in spite of man's attempts to filter it, produce His Word, infallible to every generation!

Boarding on "reprobation" huh?? Have you ever been in service with a message in tongues and the intepretation is longer or short than the message? In those times did you ever think that either of the people were messing it up by going too long or too short? My guess is yes you have. That does not mean it was messed up by the flesh but you must remember that it is possible that the flesh may make a mistake.

[Actaeon]

Originally Posted by JTULLOCK

Dude if Peter would have said, "stand up. put your right arm in and your right arm in and shake it all about. do the HG pokey and turn yourself around. that's what it's all about." Then that would be what we would tell people to do to become "saved?" C'mon

Look, at that point Peter was anointed by God. But always remember we are the flesh filters of the spirit of God. I am sure you all have messed up in saying something under the anointing. I am not saying Peter lied or misspoke here. What I am saying is he said what came in his mind from God. We do not know the exact verbage of what was said. If you think the Bible is verbatim everything said and done, you might be wrong.

Anyone reading this and NOT seeing how warped a mind can become when they strive to prove themselves at ANY COST would be beyond me.

Reminds me of a book I just read, "Misquoting Jesus" in which the man who is convinced that the Bible is merely a "man written book," w/o any divine inspiration. He is an agnostic that teaches Bible translation -- go figure.

[Jack Shephard]

Originally Posted by Actaeon

Anyone reading this and NOT seeing how warped a mind can become when they strive to prove themselves at ANY COST would be beyond me.

Reminds me of a book I just read, "Misquoting Jesus" in which the man who is convinced that the Bible is merely a "man written book," w/o any divine inspiration. He is an agnostic that teaches Bible translation -- go figure.

You are getting close to being out of line here. I do not agree with the Bible being a man written book. Nor am I agnostic. I am more Apostolic than others though.