Mooney Guns for "Secret" Meeting in Detroit?

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by Papabear

I am Scott Phillips. I posted the message linked here on this page.

I can speak from a man under 40, Minister in the UPC, he spoke to the issues and mirrored my feelings precisely.

If you don't like the UPC, Acts 2:38, Holiness Lifestyle, just leave.

And if these cool brilliant talents boys who have one claim to fame and that being nepotism, why take a church who was built on this foundation... and STEAL IT because daddy don't have the guts to tell you no...

And go prove your method's on their merits, rather than piggy backing your doctrine and leading good people into darkness.

Mooney is a Good Man of God who is standing against this evil, dark, deceptive spirit of compromise.

The difference between Satans' Words to Eve and God's were three letters, one small word.....

NOT

And that little twist stole paradise and damned humanity to hell. Trying to use a philosophical approach to spiritual, biblical matters demonstrates the father of the doctrines born of such.

If your interested in my personal thought process, you can read my blog... I have been quite fervently dealing with these issues over the past few months.

www.inbythroughhim.blogspot.com

It's obvious with this type of rhetoric why it had to be a secret meeting.

Why don't you engage your peers in dialogue about the issues they are concerned with Biblical evidence instead of inflammatory accusations?

[GrowingPains]

Originally Posted by jaamez

Understood, and agreed. However, it's been repeatedly noted throughout this thread (and by you, also) that he was right to "confront" what he sees as threats or false doctrine.

If I'm spouting off what I think about some guy named GrowingPains (without using GP's name) in front of a group of people who may or may not know you or what I'm talking about... you're not there... can you call that a confrontation? Or is it really more like priming the pump, stacking the jury of public opinion so that when it comes time for the kangaroo trial, the applause for my actions and my political position will be that much greater?

A one-sided rant against someone else who is not present or granted a voice is defamation, not a confrontation. Again... not my word, but yours and others posting in this thread.

Jaamez, I know what you mean. The problem is that he wasn't seeking to indict, PM just isn't stupid. He knows there is a huge undercurrent of young ministers in the UPCI plotting their way. He's making a public statement, that in my opinion after hearing the sermon, was not specifically directed exclusively to the Detroit meeting, but rather to all who are being tempted by what he considers false doctrine. You better believe he is stacking the jury, and since this isn't a court of law, I'm not sure he's wrong to do it.

I don't agree with him. I'll say that again. Clarifying, I don't agree with what he considers false doctrine, but I think his comments are kosher.

[Ron]

Originally Posted by Paul Harvey

The end was very much part of the message Ron when he ties in his thoughts linking Emerging Church with 3 temptations the Church faces.

If Mooney and the General Board can't get it's facts straight on Emerging Church and can't even accurately define it -

For example:

-PM stating authoritatively in his message that Erwin McManus is from Colombia when he's a native of El Salvador.

- Mark Jordan and the EC committee placing Driscoll in the EC crowd when he has spoken out against Emerging Church

- Mooney's committee linking saved by repentance, casual dress attire and preachers sitting while preaching as Emergent.

then I don't have any trust in his ability to effectively communicate truthfully what is transpiring, nor can I look passed the bias he has in seeking to label and demonize his own brethren and peers in his organization with a politically charged, convenient label.

I too smell a kangaroo court.

And I smell someone who likes to use Dead peoples names instead of coming out & saying who you are?
Who are you?

Hiding behind an anonymous name & making inflamatory statements is worse than anything!

[*AQuietPlace*]

Originally Posted by GrowingPains

His last point, "Apostles did not operate in corners"

Areas of temptations
1) False Prophecy -- charismatic personalities
2) People in your family that no longer people
3) Certain Men, who secretly work (cunning, crafty)
-- last days, greatest gift to give world is Truth. Truth is inherently confrontational

.

People in your family that are no longer people??

[Withdrawn]

Originally Posted by GrowingPains

Jaamez, I know what you mean. The problem is that he wasn't seeking to indict, PM just isn't stupid. He knows there is a huge undercurrent of young ministers in the UPCI plotting their way. He's making a public statement, that in my opinion after hearing the sermon, was not specifically directed exclusively to the Detroit meeting, but rather to all who are being tempted by what he considers false doctrine. You better believe he is stacking the jury, and since this isn't a court of law, I'm not sure he's wrong to do it.

I don't agree with him. I'll say that again. Clarifying, I don't agree with what he considers false doctrine, but I think his comments are kosher.

I think we'll agree to disagree, and I won't contend for my position toward the end of disunity.

By the way... I respect your position and your standing in the brotherhood of the redeemed. My reference to ranting about "some guy named GrowingPains" was completely benign - for illustration only. I appreciate you and the dialogue that we have enjoyed recently. Iron sharpens iron!

[GrowingPains]

Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace*

People in your family that are no longer people??

Short-hand. Sorry.

[GrowingPains]

Originally Posted by jaamez

I think we'll agree to disagree, and I won't contend for my position toward the end of disunity.

By the way... I respect your position and your standing in the brotherhood of the redeemed. My reference to ranting about "some guy named GrowingPains" was completely benign - for illustration only. I appreciate you and the dialogue that we have enjoyed recently. Iron sharpens iron!

Agreed.

[moniker]

Originally Posted by Paul Harvey

The end was very much part of the message Ron when he ties in his thoughts linking Emerging Church with 3 temptations the Church faces.

If Mooney and the General Board can't get it's facts straight on Emerging Church and can't even accurately define it -

For example:

-PM stating authoritatively in his message that Erwin McManus is from Colombia when he's a native of El Salvador.

- Mark Jordan and the EC committee placing Driscoll in the EC crowd when he has spoken out against Emerging Church

- Mooney's committee linking saved by repentance, casual dress attire and preachers sitting while preaching as Emergent.

then I don't have any trust in his ability to effectively communicate truthfully what is transpiring, nor can I look passed the bias he has in seeking to label and demonize his own brethren and peers in his organization with a politically charged, convenient label.

I too smell a kangaroo court.

Originally Posted by Ron

And I smell someone who likes to use Dead peoples names instead of coming out & saying who you are?
Who are you?

Hiding behind an anonymous name & making inflamatory statements is worse than anything!

Yeah, I'm sure talking to him like that will really make him own up to his identity.

Inflammatory demonization?

Gee, that sounds like a sermon I heard recently.

[Ron]

Originally Posted by moniker

Yeah, I'm sure talking to him like that will really make him own up to his identity.

Inflammatory demonization?

Gee, that sounds like a sermon I heard recently.

Or you!

I just do not think anonymous names were meant for that purpose.

So anything inflammatory posted by people who refuse to reveal themselves is considered Gossip & Innuendo & we all know what the Bible says about that!

[*AQuietPlace*]

Originally Posted by GrowingPains

Short-hand. Sorry.

What was it supposed to say?