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Old 04-02-2009, 03:44 PM
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Bro...it's an airport. There are even things you can't "say", especially while in SIDA and sterile areas.
yep. its and airport, and there are serious laws like not even being allowed to have toenail clippers, I know because I was once told to toss a pair in the garbage if I wanted on the plane.

I have no problem with the LAW.

but there is no law that says a person cannot get on a plane with a wad of cash.


and if there is such a law, it needs to go to the supreme court to be over turned.


dont you get the danger here????
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Money is legal but when a policeman finds loads of cash along with drugs or illegal weapons, they have reasonable suspicion to believe that cash will be used for illegal activity and thus a reason to detain and question and even arrest and confiscate as evidence.

however, when there is no other evidence of illegal activity, law enforcement has NO LEGAL GROUNDS to detain the individual AT ALL.
Indeed.


It even says it on the money.

Legal Tender.

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Money is legal but when a policeman finds loads of cash along with drugs or illegal weapons, they have reasonable suspicion to believe that cash will be used for illegal activity and thus a reason to detain and question and even arrest and confiscate as evidence.

however, when there is no other evidence of illegal activity, law enforcement has NO LEGAL GROUNDS to detain the individual AT ALL.
Ferd,
Carrying a box of money on an airplane is suspect, IMO. He could be underground for some group. How could the TSA know that if they can't ask him what he is doing. It showed up in his luggage. Why does he need a box to carry it in? Why can't he just tell them what he is doing with the money?
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You are still making things up. The tape doesn't "show his behavior"

In America a free country, we have a right to know why they ask a question.


Democrats use moneys in great quantities for bribes. the TSA doesn't have laws regarding carrying Legal Tender. What is it you don't understand?


They are looking for weapons. The airport was St Louis. it was NOT an international customs clearng screen.


Just a little secret. They have no International terminal.
Domestic security is just as important coadie.

And yes...there are security directives you and I have no right to know for obvious reasons. Where's your common sense? You're sounding like some liberal!
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Ferd,
Carrying a box of money on an airplane is suspect, IMO. He could be underground for some group. How could the TSA know that if they can't ask him what he is doing. It showed up in his luggage. Why does he need a box to carry it in? Why can't he just tell them what he is doing with the money?
No ma'am.

Not suspect.

Piques your curiosity? Maybe.

Makes you wonder? Probably.

But makes one suspect to endanger the safety of travel or even be guilty of a crime.

No ma'am... not per any legal definition.
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This made recent news. I think you also see that they may have had a set up to see if when this memo was rejected that it really would be rejected.
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No accompanying cash necessary.

"Alex Jones has received a secret report distributed by the Missouri Information Analysis Center (MIAC) entitled “The Modern Militia Movement” and dated February 20, 2009. A footer on the document indicates it is “unclassified” but “law enforcement sensitive,” in other words not for public consumption. A copy of the report was sent to Jones by an anonymous Missouri police officer....

The MIAC report does not concentrate on Muslim terrorists, but rather on the so-called “militia movement” and conflates it with supporters of Ron Paul, Chuck Baldwin, Bob Barr, the so-called patriot movement and other political activist organizations opposed to the North American Union and the New World Order. The MIAC document is a classic guilt by association effort designed to demonize legitimate political activity that stands in opposition to the New World Order and its newly enshrined front man, Barack Obama.

...MIAC claims members of a “rightwing” militia movement organized in the 1990s — generally in response to the Oklahoma City bombing and the events at Waco — “continuously exploit world events in order to increase participation in their movements. Due to the current economical and political situation, a lush environment for militia activity has been created” and supposedly exploited by “constitutionalists” and “white supremacists,” the latter an oft-employed canard used to demonize activists as dangerous and potentially violent lunatics."


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this memo leaked and was an embarassment. Well it seems it was tested and this case show they may act like they ignore it but are profilling anyhow.
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First question...what security directives were in place at the time? They may have been looking for a network of individuals to try to carry cash through. These guys may have just sold a small armory of weapons to a domestic terror cell. Or they might be on their way to some place to fund some militant cause (Ireland, Palastine, Kosovo, you name it).

Terror's lifeblood isn't weapons...it's money. We have more efforts in place to follow money than weapons. This is common sense. What if he were part of a network up to no good and they just let him and two dozen others carrying cash like this breeze on through? This is bigger than this complaining little nitwit. What if this network got the money to where it was supposed to go...bombs were bought with it...and an Israeli or American school was blown up? Then security records would show that two dozen of these folks were tracked through that airport with cash on them and no one said a word.

I see your concern Ferd...but it didn't hurt to stop this guy and verify that he wasn't a threat and that others weren't going through with cash like this also.
Bro, this is real simple. if that were the case, they take the guy, the run a background and they let the guy go.


nothing wrong with that if the scenario you are suggesting were the case.

what we know is that was not the case. TSA simply held him because he had some money on him that was out of line with what others generally had on hand.
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You are buying it hook, line and sinker aren't you.

But... nevertheless...

Do share with us some of those directives that we need to review.

We are anxious to hear them.
Ok D4T, I think I know where you are coming from, it seems like there is definitely a reason to be concerned that we are losing our fundamental freedoms here-

But since I have traveled over seas, I can see that there maybe some advantages to losing some of our freedoms, at the risk of our personal safety-(I guess we could argue what freedoms we would be willing to give up to achieve that.)

Being in Singapore where the crime is practically nil- and feeling safe there and also being able worship my God freely and to talk about him freely. Sure made me look at my country a little differently.

Especially upon the weekend returning to the US 4 police lost their lives to a criminal with an agenda-in Oakland Ca.

I am willing to give up some of these so called freedom if it does mean we will be safer... I am not willing to give up any freedoms that affects me spirituality.

But crime being the way that it is in this country, I do think we need to rethink some things.
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That's another thing...if this guy did all this to prove a point...he took valuable time and manpower away from performing legitimate security duties. He's playing games. I'd be highly irate if I were a security official.
He wasn't the only one playing games, if that's what he did. The officers who detained him should have been at LEAST smart enough to advise him of his rights. Surely they knew whether or not he HAD to answer the questions? LOL!!!!

They detained him FIRST, then he asked if he HAD to answer questions, and said he would answer, if they said he had to by law. That isn't entirely uncooperative, although I think I would have just said what I needed to in order to get out of there!

The security "official" should be irate with his employees for detaining someone for carrying $4700.00 (or so), when they could have been searching luggage for REAL threats.

I'm amazed, too, that $4700.00 is being deemed a large amount of cash. It really isn't.
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No ma'am. It is not suspect.

it might make one curious.

It might even make one nosey.

But carrying cash.. on an airplane trip... where you might be going to have a good old time somewhere and have plenty of cash to do so... is not suspect.

They are the TSA... Transportation Security Administration.

There is nothing unsafe about cash.
There is nothing unsecure about cash.
Your point "it might make one curious"....Well, it certainly made the TSA curious.

I still don't see why he had to act so obstinate about answering the questions. They even said, "If you don't have anything to hide, then why can't you answer the question?"

My only question is this - In answering, what could he have said that would have incriminated him?

Sounds like too much, unnecessary, drama on his part.
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