Is Homosexuality demon possesion or learned behavi

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by JTULLOCK

Good point this is why I contend people can be born that way. Not that people are literally born gay, but all are conceived in sin and born into sin. It is all sin, but somehow it is view as a 'worse' sin to be gay or something. I believe that a person must make a choice to follow or not follow that lifestyle. To some is seems so natural and that is, IMO, cause to use humans sin is natural. Sin is our nature until we change our nature and become spiritually lead.

Inclinations toward behavior and the choice to do those things are very different. I'm a straight male...I like women. I have chosen to flee fornication and be faithful to my wife. lol

The inclination of the natural man is there...but I choose not to act on it.

I think it's similar with gays. They have an inclination to act on their attraction to the same gender...but they choose to act or not to act on it.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

As a straight I could NEVER EVER engage in sex with another guy. Yet so called gay men get married all the time to females and have children.

I've talked to a few gay men who married. Most of the time they weren't thinking about their wives when with their wives.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by 1399

If one has never had gay sex, I wouldn't call them gay. Someone ensnared in the "homosexual lifestyle" is doing more than just thinking about it. The lifestyle requires participation, IMHO.

I don't think the church is gripped with fear when it comes to homosexuals as much as it is gripped with ignorance.

Good points.

[Rico]

Some gay men have a strong paternal instinct and feel the need to be a father. I wonder how that can fit in with their same sex attraction. It seems almost like a contradiction.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Timmy

Do you think gay marriage should be allowed?

Absolutely not in the Apostolic church. In a free and civil society however, it's bound to happen. I see it as being inevitable.

Praise God that this world is not our home.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Adino

Step back and take a deep breath, Bro. In through the nose and out of the mouth. In through the nose and out of the mouth. In through the nose and out of the mouth. There..... better now?

Many Jews of today are atheists as well, Bro. That many are Democrats only displays to me another flaw in judgment. Of course, that's only a humble opinion.

Are you denying that Hitler was a socialist? Hitler's National Socialism was racist at its core and I am very sorry to hear that your wife has had to live with the results of this monster's ideological tendencies. I pray God helps her daily. I guess the question would be why do those who have been so greatly affected by such ideology continue to follow leaders who promote the philosophies which helped engender such atrocity?

I have not personally sat down and discussed the holocaust with those who have gone through it, but I do find it interesting that just last month I sat down and YouTubed such interviews while doing a bit of research opposing the theory that the holocaust did not happen. Some nut was trying to make the case that the gas chambers simply did not exist as many have proposed.

Iran's President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is one of these knuckleheads who denies the holocaust ever took place. I think he is wrong. He would very much love the ideologies of socialism to be the guide of our foreign affairs so that his agenda will be much more easily brought into fruition. I do not want this to happen. I HIGHLY DOUBT (just had to use the caps) you or your wife want this to happen either.

Socialism has failed all around the world and has led to terrible things. Why bring it to America? Why put those in charge who are geared toward a Socialistic end? I just don't get it.

On a side note:

Do you know one of the reasons Hitler did not invade Switzerland? When the Germans, in discussion with Switzerland's leaders, told them they would come into the land and conquer the Swiss by force they (the Germans) were met with the following response: They were taken out to a large firing range filled with citizens of the country, told that every citizen had been issued a firearm, given free ammunition, and encouraged to practice every month at the government's expense. The Germans stressed that they would be coming with an army twice the size of the population. The Swiss leaders responded, "I suppose, then, we will all have to shoot twice."

Do you think Obama's America would be able to give a like response?

God bless Aquila and his wife, Priscilla (?).

You're still equating fellow Americans with Hitler and Nazis. Be it know that Britain is socialist as is Canada and Israel. Fascist socialism is strongly denounced by most true socialists as being a perversion of their political ideals.

Obama's America? This is a fundamental flaw in your reasoning. You are engaged in king worship, as though America is a dictatorship. This isn't Clinton's America, Bush's America, Obama's America, or McCain's America. While Bush has nearly run a dictatorship I highly doubt either Obama or McCain will. Both will have multitudes of advisers and counsel, they will also be briefed by the NSA on highly classified actions that must be taken to ensure our nation's survival. Those with clearance and a knowledge of these things in Congressional committees will hold any President accountable, especially after Bush. We need to get away from this king worship we have under Bush. We have to realize this isn't Obama's America or McCain's America...this is our America. Always has been...and always will be.

And for the record...yes...I believe Obama is perfectly willing and capable of engaging the enemy. Obama has repeatedly said he would hand over authority to the Iraqi provisional government and perform a staged withdraw from Iraq, redeploying troops to the REAL battlefield...Afghanistan. Guess what...within the past two weeks the Iraqi provisional government has taken political action to speed American withdraw and military leaders on the ground in Afghanistan are stating that they need more troops and equipment on the ground. ....Exactly what Obama has been saying should be done for months.

[Aquila]

Break down and examination of Romans 1....

Paul was writing to the church in Rome. These Roman Christians were well acquainted with the paganistic practices of excess and debauchery. Paul here addresses this....the decent into paganism...

Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
Rom 1:17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
Rom 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
Rom 1:19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Rom 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
Rom 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
Rom 1:23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

Here Paul explains mankind's decent into paganism and idolatry as a result of rejecting divine truth about the creator.

Rom 1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
Rom 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

Here Paul delves deeper into pagan perversion and how they began to practice perversion as part of their worship and lifestyle.

Rom 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
Rom 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

Here Paul speaks of how pagan men and women abandoned the natural use of one another to fulfill their lusts.

Rom 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
Rom 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
Rom 1:30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
Rom 1:31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
Rom 1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

Here Paul continues describing the decent into sinful, vile, wicked, pagan living.

This describes more than just homosexuals...this describes the decent of all of mankind into vile pagan practices and sinful vices.