Who then can be lost? - Page 15

Steve Epley · #**141** 07-12-2008, 12:01 AM

Well here is 14 pages on an APOSTOLIC forum(?) discussing whether it is a sin to smoke? Interesting to say the least.

1Corinth2v4 · #**142** 07-12-2008, 12:04 AM

According to many posters here, everyone can be saved. Your only requirement is to repent before you plane crashes, etc.

What's disturbing is many here don't believe you need Holy Ghost infilling to be saved. The only requirement is to repent before you plane crashes, and you're on your way to glory.

Ephesians 1:13-15

13)In .....ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

14) Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

The bible reads the Holy Ghost is the earnest of our inheritance until the day of redemption, we are sealed with the Holy Ghost.

But hey, what do you expect from a fast-food generation?

pelathais · #**143** 07-12-2008, 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Well here is 14 pages on an APOSTOLIC forum(?) discussing whether it is a sin to smoke? Interesting to say the least.

Did you read all 14 pages? Apparently not. And for those posts about smoking did you see the different angles?

Honestly bro, sometimes you seem to come across like a gossipy school girl with you blanket condemnations and rash generalizations.

StMark · #**144** 07-12-2008, 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by pelathais

Did you read all 14 pages? Apparently not. And for those posts about smoking did you see the different angles?

Honestly bro, sometimes you seem to come across like a gossipy school girl with you blanket condemnations and rash generalizations.

That was VERY Disrespecful

pelathais · #**145** 07-12-2008, 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by StMark

That was VERY Disrespecful

Are you angry with me because I have spoken the truth?

Michlow · #**146** 07-12-2008, 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by TRFrance

Question for you. Do you believe smoking is a sin?

No, I don't. And this is an area "near and dear to my heart", you might say. I was a smoker when I was first introduced to Jesus. Some well meaning person told me that if I loved Jesus I wouldn't smoke. Which caused me a lot of unnecessary distress, and I credit this as one of the main things that lead me off on a wrong tangent (of following rules, rather than following Jesus).

At some point (because I was following the rules, not Jesus), I rebelled and started smoking again. After about 8 months, I quit again. (Monday will actually be the 3 year anniversary). However, I still quit for the wrong reasons, i.e. ultimately I thought it would send me to hell.

For the record, though I no longer think it a sin, or something that will send me to hell, and though I still have the desire to smoke quite frequently, I do not start again. Because I do recognize that it's not good for my health, and I have enough health issues without adding to them of my own accord.

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I was thinking about this last night and realized something. It's one thing to say, "I believe someone who smokes cigarettes is in danger of going to Hell." It's another entirely to say, "Everyone who smokes is going to Hell." One is an opinion, the other is pronouncing judgment.

It's still not my first choice, but It is is a thousand times better than the alternative. What is something I might like better? "I feel like God has shown me that because smoking is addictive, and causes unnecessary harm to my body, that it would be wrong for me to do."

I think this pretty much covers the bases in a non-accusatory manner. You are making it about yourself and God, and you are leaving the whole hell thing out of it.

I think people concentrate on hell so much in order to strengthen their arguements. It's the ultimate "my dad can beat up your dad". I think the focus should be on an individuals relationship with God, and learning to listen to his voice. I personally feel that when you bring the whole hell thing in, you are just building on an individuals fear of God. Of course, I am personally, and extremely biased in this area, due to my own experiences.

TRFrance · #**147** 07-12-2008, 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by pelathais

Question for you - and I've never smoked a cigarette in my life - but since you seem to think smoking is a sin - why?

Yes I do. I believe it is highly displeasing to God.

As to your question "why?"... there are multiple reasons I could state. But I'll keep it simple.

There's an article I cam across on the net which deals with the issue. Although writer is not Apostolic, I'd say most of his points in this article echo my own views on the topic:http://www.mountainretreatorg.net/faq/smoking.html

Nina · #**148** 07-12-2008, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by He's My Friend

Nina,

In all honesty, that is a lot of "supposing".

If YOU know of such a person, why don't you confront that person?

Have you confronted him ? Are you feeling convicted to confront him ?

I don't know him personally, but don't You think that if his friends had confronted him, he'd have lost the weight that is so besetting to him?

What a testimony he would have to other Apostolics who are caught in this same sin.

My concern is that the standard is applied differently depending on the sin.

And, for me, smoking WAS a sin.
As much a sin as gluttony.

Known smokers would NEVER be allowed to preach in an Apostolic pulpit,

But,

Known gluttons are held in high esteem.

Nina

mizpeh · #**149** 07-12-2008, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by TRFrance

Yes I do. I believe it is highly displeasing to God.

As to your question "why?"... there are multiple reasons I could state. But I'll keep it simple.

There's an article I cam across on the net which deals with the issue. Although writer is not Apostolic, I'd say most of his points in this article echo my own views on the topic:http://www.mountainretreatorg.net/faq/smoking.html

Good article! Thanks for posting the link.

MissBrattified · #**150** 07-12-2008, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Well here is 14 pages on an APOSTOLIC forum(?) discussing whether it is a sin to smoke? Interesting to say the least.

Well, to be fair, the posts are just "yes", "no", "Maybe" or "I don't know." There are some pretty interesting perspectives.

Plus, I think most of us agree that smoking (or any similar unhealthy or bad habit) is bad for a Christian. This thread explores the whys and reasons, mostly.

It's not as bad as all that, Bro. Epley. I don't think anyone here supports smoking, unless I misread a post.