ROFL.... what? Only the 'combat' troops? Give me an example of the non-combatant troops which would be left.
Obama quote:
"Let me be clear: There is no military solution in Iraq and there never was..... The best way to protect our security and to pressure Iraq's leaders to resolve their civil war is to immediately begin to remove our combat troops. Not in six months or one year now..."
This does not give me the impression that he has any clue of Ahmadinejad's intentions, nor of the civil chaos our withdrawal would engender playing right into Ahmadinejad's hands.
Traning, support for logistical type of stuff, that sort of thing. While they are all trained to fight if necessary, not all the troops are there just for fighting.
Traning, support for logistical type of stuff, that sort of thing. While they are all trained to fight if necessary, not all the troops are there just for fighting.
So remove everyone but the bean counters? And maybe leave them a couple of 1911's for security measures.
Pulling out our troops would do nothing more than create an atmosphere much like Carter created when he left the Shah of Iran high and dry.
Carter's Khomeini...
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"established the first modern Islamic regime, a role model for the Taliban and jihadists to follow.
And when the U.S. Embassy was stormed that November and 52 Americans taken hostage for 444 days, America's lack of resolve was confirmed in the jihadist mind.
On Nov. 4, 1979, some 400 Khomeini followers broke down the door of the embassy in Tehran, seizing the compound and the Americans inside. The hostage takers posed for the cameras next to a poster with a caricature of Carter and the slogan: "America cannot do a d**n thing." "
What would the lack of resolve confirmed in the jihadist's mind this time engender?
Carter's Khomeini....
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"introduced the idea of suicide bombers to the Palestine Liberation Organization and paid $35,000 to PLO families who would offer up their children as human bombs to kill as many Israelis as possible.
It was Carter's Khomeini who would give the world Hezbollah to make war on Israel and destroy the multicultural democracy that was Lebanon.
And perhaps Jimmy has forgotten that Hezbollah, which he helped make possible, killed 241 U.S. troops in their Beirut barracks in 1983.
The Soviet Union, seeing us so willingly abandon a staunch ally, invaded Afghanistan in December 1979, just six months after Carter and Russian leader Leonid Brezhnev embraced after signing a new arms-control treaty.
And it was the resistance to the Soviet invasion that helped give birth to the Taliban. As Hayward observes, the fall of Iran, hastened by Jimmy Carter, "set in motion the advance of radical Islam and the rise of terrorism that culminated in Sept. 11."
Writer Christopher Hitchens recalls a discussion he had with Eugene McCarthy. A Democrat and former candidate for that party's presidential nomination, where McCarthy voted for Ronald Reagan instead of Carter in 1980.
The reason? Carter had "quite simply abdicated the whole responsibility of the presidency while in office. He left the nation at the mercy of its enemies at home and abroad (including the Soviets). He was quite simply the worst president we ever had."
While Jimmy Carter may hold the title of "the worst president we ever had" I think Obama, who holds many of the same views and is even more Liberally slanted than Carter, would be even worse.
Obama's Ahmadinejad would be comparable to, if not worse than, Carter's Khomeini.
We destabilize Iraq by leaving, it is very possible we bring Ahmadinejad's war to our homeland. I am a personal defense instructor. It would be foolish of me to gamble on my family and country's safety by voting for Obama.
So remove everyone but the bean counters? And maybe leave them a couple of 1911's for security measures.
Pulling out our troops would do nothing more than create an atmosphere much like Carter created when he left the Shah of Iran high and dry.
Carter's Khomeini...
Carter's Khomeini....
While Jimmy Carter may hold the title of "the worst president we ever had" I think Obama, who holds many of the same views and is even more Liberally slanted than Carter, would be even worse.
Obama's Ahmadinejad would be comparable to, if not worse than, Carter's Khomeini.
I don't think so, but only time will tell. I noticed you didn't mention Carter's major achievement with the peace treaty between Egypt and Israel, but that's ok. Everyone seems to forget about that accomplishment, never mind the fact that he's the only President to have had that kind of success with Mid East peace talks.
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I don't think so, but only time will tell. I noticed you didn't mention Carter's major achievement with the peace treaty between Egypt and Israel, but that's ok. Everyone seems to forget about that accomplishment, never mind the fact that he's the only President to have had that kind of success with Mid East peace talks.
Just as the lib's seem to forget the good our troops have accomplished there. Yes, it has been with a terrible loss of life but that is war. We are reminded by the peace loving lib's that 4000 troops have lost their lives. I tell my students it is safer to be there than here. In 2006 alone there was 17,032 people murdered in our country and what was accomplished. It did not build new schools or hospitals or put a dangerous dictator out of commission nor did it take terrorists off the streets. We have slaughtered more babies in the name of convince in our country than troops we have lost by far.
I don't think so, but only time will tell. I noticed you didn't mention Carter's major achievement with the peace treaty between Egypt and Israel, but that's ok. Everyone seems to forget about that accomplishment, never mind the fact that he's the only President to have had that kind of success with Mid East peace talks.
Why give Carter credit for the hard work of Henry Kissinger who played an extreme role in the Egyptian-Israeli Disengagement Treaties of 1974 and 1975? Carter's Camp David talks stood on the shoulders of Nixon's, secretary of state, Henry Kissinger.
Anyone attempting to resusitate the reputation of Jimmy Carter's presidency does so with a blind eye to history.
this is the man who sets the record for most vetos overturned.... Mr. Carters own party controled both houses of Congress for the entire 4 years of his presidency.
That is a feat unparalled in American presidential history.
Jimmy Carter was an incompitant fool. In the wake of Watergate, Carter stood to turn America to the Democrat party for generations to come. instead he set the stage for the rise of the Republican Parties greatest president since Abe Lincoln.
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Just as the lib's seem to forget the good our troops have accomplished there. Yes, it has been with a terrible loss of life but that is war. We are reminded by the peace loving lib's that 4000 troops have lost their lives. I tell my students it is safer to be there than here. In 2006 alone there was 17,032 people murdered in our country and what was accomplished. It did not build new schools or hospitals or put a dangerous dictator out of commission nor did it take terrorists off the streets. We have slaughtered more babies in the name of convince in our country than troops we have lost by far.
I think the objections to this war are more than just the number of casualties we've suffered. They also include the heavy burden of paying for the war. Let's face it, things have changed for us economically. I almost hate to say this, but if we were actually profiting from the sale of Iraqi oil, then I think that maybe there wouldn't be as many people complaining about this war. I saw a news report the other day that pointed out that, globally, we are running about 2 million barrels a day short of what is needed to turn the price of oil back down to a more reasonable level. They pointed out at that, pre the Iraq war, Iraq was putting two million more barrels a day into the market. The suggestion was that this war has, in fact, had an effect on the price of oil all over the world. Iraq has been slow to get production back up to what it was prior to the invasion.
Why give Carter credit for the hard work of Henry Kissinger who played an extreme role in the Egyptian-Israeli Disengagement Treaties of 1974 and 1975? Carter's Camp David talks stood on the shoulders of Nixon's, secretary of state, Henry Kissinger.
Who was in office when the peace treaty was signed? It was Jimmy Carter, correct? It's the same way that Ronald Reagan gets the credit for ending the hostage crisis. The whole thing was negotiated under Jimmy Carter's administration, but Reagan gets the credit because they were released after he took office.
Anyone attempting to resusitate the reputation of Jimmy Carter's presidency does so with a blind eye to history.
this is the man who sets the record for most vetos overturned.... Mr. Carters own party controled both houses of Congress for the entire 4 years of his presidency.
That is a feat unparalled in American presidential history.
Jimmy Carter was an incompitant fool. In the wake of Watergate, Carter stood to turn America to the Democrat party for generations to come. instead he set the stage for the rise of the Republican Parties greatest president since Abe Lincoln.
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