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Old 06-16-2008, 07:11 PM
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Re: Witchcraft = medication

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I can discount it, if the verse from Ezekiel is any clue. It seems to me that if the Word of God recommends the use of a plant (or leaf) for medicinal purposes, that (a) it cannot be called witchcraft, and (b) it is more likely that heathen nations took a godly recommendation and perverted it, as they did many other things.

Remember, the children of Israel also made sacrifices to God, and the heathen nations made sacrifices to their gods, but one was holy, the other unholy. And there is no connection between the two, other than the same means to an end.

Well, unless you can prove that they got it from us then it may very well be that we got it from them. Either way, I've wasted most of today on this topic. But, it has been fun, as usual. Well, mostly fun anyway. BTW, Ezekiel 47 was a vision he had, not something that was actually happening. (just looked it up again to make sure)
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Old 06-16-2008, 07:23 PM
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Quit being such a stuck up rude punk.... I am not talking to you and if you would take your head our of your butt and realize there are more intelligent people on this forum can learn from your stupidity.

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Wow! You have reached 10 on the scale of the rude-o-meter yourself, gustaveson... Pot or kettle?
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Old 06-16-2008, 07:26 PM
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It is disappointing that the thread starter is ignoring my request for clarification.


Have you considered that maybe he is not online????
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Old 06-16-2008, 07:26 PM
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Re: Witchcraft = medication

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Wow! You have reached 10 on the scale of the rude-o-meter yourself, gustaveson... Pot or kettle?
I am a rude person... it was much more TIC then it looked... who takes punk seriously anymore?

I was mad however and rude...
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Old 06-16-2008, 07:32 PM
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Re: Witchcraft = medication

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I believe if one studies this out, they will find that witchcraft = pharmica = mind altering drugs.

that doesnt mean everything that can be ingested for the purpose of curing sickness. Nor does it mean anything that is used for pain reduction.

there is a spiritual implication to using mind altering drugs for no good reason.... just as there is a spiritual implication to drunkeness.
It's not just that. The reason it is translated sorcery is because "witch doctors" would use these things to have power over the people
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Old 06-16-2008, 07:34 PM
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I am a rude person... it was much more TIC then it looked... who takes punk seriously anymore?

I was mad however and rude...
At least you admitted it. The concern is that it doesn't seem that it matters to you whether or not you are a rude person. It almost seems as if you are bragging.
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Old 06-16-2008, 07:37 PM
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I find the premise of this thread to be absolutely breathtaking.

Sometimes, there are just no words.
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Old 06-16-2008, 09:28 PM
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I believe if one studies this out, they will find that witchcraft = pharmica = mind altering drugs.
Exactly and that is what the medication of today does. It alters the mind as my son would say. That is why he refuses to take any kind of medication.
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Old 06-16-2008, 09:30 PM
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O-Man, I dont think you can say that. the greek word Pharmika is where we get our word pharmacy from but that doesnt imply that the modern understanding of a drug like Amnioterone (sp) which corrects vintricular tachacardia is = to witchcraft.

we are talking about the ancient understanding of mind altering drugs, that were then used to put people into a state where they could "commune" with the spirits.

LSD yes. bad mojo
Asprin no. Good mojo.
Maybe this will help clear it up for you.

Witchcraft is the translation of the Greek word pharmakeia from which the term “pharmacy” comes. In ancient times the worship of evil powers was accompanied by the use of drugs to create trances. This vice will also be prominent in the Tribulation period (cf. Rev. 9:21; 18:23).—Bible Knowledge Commentary

from pharmakon (a drug, i.e. spell-giving potion); a druggist (“pharmacist”) or poisoner, i.e. (by extension) a magician :- sorcerer—Strong's Talking Greek & Hebrew Dictionary

Witchcraft. Pretending to witchcraft. The apostle does not vouch for the actual existence of witchcraft; but he says that what was known as such was a proof of the corrupt nature of man, and was one of the fruits of it. No one can doubt it. It was a system of imposture and falsehood throughout; and nothing is a better demonstration of the depravity of the human heart than an extended and systematized attempt to impose on mankind. The word which is here used, (φαρμακεια, whence our word pharmacy, from φαρμακον a medicine, poison, magic potion,) means, properly, the preparing and giving of medicine. Then it means also poisoning, and also magic art, or enchantment; because in savage nations, pharmacy or medicine consisted much in magical incantations. Thence it means sorcery or enchantment, and it is so used uniformly in the New Testament. It is used only in Galatians 5:20, Revelation 9:21; Revelation 18:23, 21:8. Some have supposed that it means here poisoning, a crime often practised; but the more correct interpretation is, to refer it to the black art, or to pretensions to witchcraft, and the numerous delusions which have grown out of it, as a striking illustration of the corrupt and depraved nature of man. —Barnes' Notes on the New Testament

Witchcraft—Φαρμακεια, from φαρμακον a drug or poison; because in all spells and enchantments, whether true or false, drugs were employed. As a drug, φαρμακον, might either be the means of removing an evil, or inflicting one, etymologists have derived it from φερον ακος, bringing ease, or φερον αχος, bringing pain. So spells and incantations were used sometimes for the restoration of the health; at others, for the destruction of an enemy. Sometimes, these φαρμακα were used to procure love; at other times, to produce hatred.
—Adam Clarke's Commentary
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Old 06-16-2008, 09:36 PM
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Even Paul told Timothy to take a little wine for the stomachs sake.....or what about laughter doeth good like a medicine?If I laugh am I a warlock?I believe that God uses doctors to reveal more of His power.
That is not like the mind altering medication of today. Wine is good and it has great health benefits as long as it is in moderation.

God uses Doctors, but doctors don't make the drugs.
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