Why do YOU believe the Bible? - Page 15

Michlow · #**141** 03-22-2007, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Esther

Well seems you have a problem here. You are right there is NO ONE that is 100% right all the time.

But the Bible does tell us there is wisdom in the counsel of many.

It seems to me you have you mind made up that what any says is wrong already since you say they are wrong about something. Well that is true as well. But IF you are really wanting answers they you ask and you pray about it and let God lead you to the truth. But first you have to have a LOVE for the TRUTH. Not what you want to hear or don't want to hear. Nor what tradition has always taught.

JMO

Good luck in finding your answers.

Agreed. I am in the process of learning who I can really trust.

OGIA · #**142** 03-22-2007, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by ReformedDave

Made up word???

LOL! Maybe. Do you consider yourself the theosophical sort?

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Originally Posted by ReformedDave

It's the only book that is not philosophically arbitrary and inconsistent with itself and the Bible presents the only worldview that can successfully give the preconditions of intelligibility. Only Scripture can offer the pre-conditions for reality, knowledge, and ethics.

English?

ReformedDave · #**143** 03-22-2007, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by OGIA

LOL! Maybe. Do you consider yourself the theosophical sort?

English?

Theosophical, probably not. Sounds like a bad kind of rash!

In a nutshell. Christianity is the only worldview that provides a standard for what we can know, what is real, and what is right and wrong that is not inconsistent, illogical, or arbitrary. The above article explains it. If one has to give it a name it is called "transcendental reasoning".

OGIA · #**144** 03-22-2007, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by ReformedDave

Theosophical, probably not. Sounds like a bad kind of rash!

I think it's both a rash and an irritant.

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In a nutshell. Christianity is the only worldview that provides a standard for what we can know, what is real, and what is right and wrong that is not inconsistent, illogical, or arbitrary. The above article explains it. If one has to give it a name it is called "transcendental reasoning".

I see.

So, why do you think no one who has addressed you here has satisfied your need or what God deserves? Or, do you think someone has?

Esther · #**145** 03-22-2007, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Timmy

Which brings up another disturbing issue. Are you really saved? If you answer "absolutely, 100% certainly, yes, I'm saved", how do you know? If you say that you have followed the Bible's instructions, and you have faith that it is true, well, what about the healing issue?

On the one hand, we have scriptures that say if we do X (prayer of faith, etc.) we will be healed. Other scriptures say if we do Y (repent, etc.), we will be saved.

Here's the big question: If we sometimes do X and yet we are not healed (verifiable, here and now), how can we be 100% sure that if we do Y we will be saved (verifiable only after it's too late)?

Whether there are good explanations of failed healings or not, the fact of the matter is that it doesn't always happen when we have followed the instructions, or at least think we have! How is salvation any different? (Except for the big difference in how and when we learn whether it "worked"!)

You again bring a good question.

We say we have enough faith to be healed and we aren't then we have to wonder did we REALLY have enough faith?

My first thought was the 10 virgins, 5 wise and 5 foolish. They all had oil, but the foolish did not have enough.

Are we the wise or the foolish?

We have to search the scriptures our hearts and have a relationship with the King that we will KNOW we are living right.

How can we do that?

First we have to KNOW Him.

How do we do that?

We study His Word.

We talk to Him regularly, so that we have a relationship.

I believe IF you can/will do that you will know and their will be peace in your heart.

JMO

Esther · #**146** 03-22-2007, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Michi

Agreed. I am in the process of learning who I can really trust.

I can tell you I don't have all the answers.

I will also tell you I will honestly give you what I believe.

But somethings we are always learning more and more about. It comes with age and maturity.

Again, good luck. And pray God will send someone in your life you can have that confidence in trust and KNOW they are of the LOrd.

Felicity · #**147** 03-22-2007, 04:11 PM

I believe the Bible because it's true from my perspective, but I probably might not be terribly effective in making a case to an atheist or intellectual type of unbeliever.

Ravi Zacharias has been awesomely effective though.

ReformedDave · #**148** 03-22-2007, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by OGIA

I think it's both a rash and an irritant.

I see.

So, why do you think no one who has addressed you here has satisfied your need or what God deserves? Or, do you think someone has?

My point is that 99%(give or take) of what is called apologetics or reasoning doesn't deal with these essential elementary basics and it amounts to not only giving of bad argumentation but also of allowing the autonomous reasoning of the unbeliever. Anything that allows the unbeliever to think he or she is reasoning autonomously is the same sin that Eve committed. "You have your facts and I have mine. Let's see whose pile is bigger and whose 'facts' are stronger" Where Scripture states that every thought is to be captive to Christ and if one doesn't presuppose these elementary truths he cannot reason correctly at all. He may be able to count but he cannot account for counting.

Proverbs 26:4-5 states; "4 Answer not a fool according to his folly,
lest you be like him yourself.
5 Answer a fool according to his folly,
lest he be wise in his own eyes."

Don't use his argumentation and assume his autonomy with him and also show him the folly and futility of reasoning. Show him, that on his worldview he cannot account for anything. He cannot give a basis for right and wrong, what we know, and how we know what we know.

OGIA · #**149** 03-22-2007, 04:59 PM

So, why do you think no one who has addressed you here has satisfied your need or what God deserves? Or, do you think someone has?

ReformedDave · #**150** 03-22-2007, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by OGIA

So, why do you think no one who has addressed you here has satisfied your need or what God deserves? Or, do you think someone has?

I honestly believe that the majority, vast majority, are ill-equipped to defend the faith. Everything I've seen here so far has been apologetics from experience or testimony, historical, or archaeological. All are philosophically bad arguments and sub-Biblical that any thinking unbeliever with an ax to grind can easily destroy them. They may be alright in building up one's own faith and as a testimony some may be appropriate but as a Scriptural defense of the faith they are lacking.