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Old 04-15-2008, 07:04 PM
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Yes you can. If they were under the age of consent when he had sex with her that is still statutory rape
There is a statute of limitations on such actions, so it would depend on the situation. In addition, depending on the law, if the parents gave her permission to marry, it's not rape. There are 15 and 16 yr olds that get married legally in this country to men who are in their 20's.
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Old 04-15-2008, 07:15 PM
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It's very simple. You get each mother with their children. Ask the age of the oldest. Ask the mothers age. Subtract. If it is under the age of consent arrest the father.
From everything that I have heard so far, this is almost impossible to determine because the women are not giving their last names. And their documentation for marriages and births are almost non-existent.

In one interview I saw this morning, the woman would not say if her husband had multiple wives. They aren't talking.

DNA would be the only proof. I hope they can compel samples from everyone.
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Old 04-15-2008, 07:19 PM
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No one has addressed my question.

It is not ME who is saying there is no evidence. I am saying IF they do have the evidence then they should be going after the criminals - not taking mammas away from their children. (unless there is evidence that implicates a mother)
They do not have evidence yet. All they have is an allegation. A cry for help from one of them. That's it. They acted on that alone.

When they DO have the evidence, THEN they can go after the criminals. Until then they have to act on the accusation of a crime being committed.
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Old 04-15-2008, 07:19 PM
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Well, aren't they saying the first wife is the only one really "married"? That would mean all the other wives are not married.
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The subsequent "wives" are called Spiritual Wives.
They, and their offspring, are usually on welfare.
The FLDS consider this "milking the beast"
They like to get what they can out of the Federal Government.
I think it's in retaliation of USA's "persecution" of them for polygamy.

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Old 04-15-2008, 07:23 PM
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Sister

The subsequent "wives" are called Spiritual Wives.
They, and their offspring, are usually on welfare.
The FLDS consider this "milking the beast"
They like to get what they can out of the Federal Government.
I think it's in retaliation of USA's "persecution" of them for polygamy.

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Exactly - which makes them not legally married.

Retailiation of USA's persecution of them for polygamy? What do you mean? It's against the law.
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Old 04-15-2008, 07:28 PM
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One lady I saw interviewed stated that this is their 'Zion'...heaven on earth.
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Old 04-15-2008, 07:30 PM
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They believe they are being persecuted for their religious beliefs.

And because it's the Federal Government doing the persecuting,
by making it illegal to have many wives, they try to take the gov.
for all the money they can through welfare etc.
They call it "milking the beast".
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Rico, I didn't say that. I said that if you are going to purchase it and going through all the motions, but you are overweight, in spite of being otherwise healthy, they can deny you coverage. I didn't say that once it's in place they can then deny you.

However, if your weight is a problem and is costing them money, they can drop you eventually.

It's clear that they have the power.
I responded because you said, "If you purchase health care for yourself and you are overweight, you can be denied for that reason alone, even if you are in good health otherwise."

The bolded part led me to think you were talking about a policy that had already been purchased, not one someone was looking to purchase.
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Old 04-15-2008, 08:16 PM
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Texas defends separation of polygamist sect kids from moms By JENNIFER DOBNER and MICHAEL GRACZYK, Associated Press Writer
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State officials Tuesday defended their decision to suddenly separate mothers from many of the children taken in a raid on a polygamist ranch in West Texas.

Texas Children's Protective Services spokeswoman Marleigh Meisner said the separation was made Monday after they decided that children are more truthful in interviews about possible abuse if their parents are not around.

When state troopers and child welfare officials seized 416 children from the compound, 139 women accompanied them on their own and had been allowed to stay with the children until Monday, when they were driven back to the compound.

Only women with children under 5 could stay at the San Angelo Coliseum where they were being held.

Meisner said the decision was made after much discussion with experts.



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Old 04-15-2008, 08:22 PM
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Maybe, but I am sure a court would have to first nullify the marriage based on it being a multiple marriage. This is another reason why I think this whole situation is going to take years to settle in the courts. It's one to say A or B, but it is another thing entirely for what is said to carry the weight of the law behind it. So, in other words, the courts may eventually determine these underage mothers to be victims of molestation, but the court first has to establish that their marriages were never legal in the first place.
I am sure Texas has laws against bygamy. I am thinking the reason they did not take the men but the children is if they took the men without evidence it would not be legal. But if children are in harm's way they can be removed by the state. And the evidence of abuse is young girls that are pregnant or have already had babies.
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