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02-26-2008, 11:14 PM
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Re: Old way of Holiness Standard do we need to kee
Spouting a "standard" that absolutely no basis in the Word of God then saying "Lets get real". Please. Lets do. I'm through.
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02-26-2008, 11:16 PM
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Re: Old way of Holiness Standard do we need to kee
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Originally Posted by OneAccord
Thats what I love about these rigid, inflexible STANDARDS of man. They are as flimsy as the loopholes they are made of. "A woman cannot wear a wig, unless..." Where in the world (because I already know it didn't come from the Bible) do you get that women are forbidden to wear a wig... unless...of course.... (Mustn't forget the ever present loophole).
Sorry for the arguing. Its really unbecoming. Just go ahead and live by YOUR standards and loopholes. Just glad I don't have to live by them.
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A women not cutting her hair is in the Bible so your point is. If she lost her hair because she had cancer she could not wear a wig.
Standards that are in the Bible are one thing. Loopholes does not depend on what I say but between her, her pastor and God.
Dan'D
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02-26-2008, 11:21 PM
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Re: Old way of Holiness Standard do we need to kee
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Originally Posted by OneAccord
Spouting a "standard" that absolutely no basis in the Word of God then saying "Lets get real". Please. Lets do. I'm through.
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Hair loss and hair cut is two different things.
a wig because of Hair loss is really not a question for me but between that person, her pastor and God.
Dan'D
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02-26-2008, 11:21 PM
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Re: Old way of Holiness Standard do we need to kee
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Originally Posted by Sister Alvear
Let me see what has changed...
The Hebrew men wore beards...
The Hebrew men wore robes with blue fringes
The Hebrew men wore sandals...
John dresses in camel’s hair...ate locust and wild honey...
Jesus took a whip to the church of His day...
Paul made a Nazarite vow...
Well to name a few standards...
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Sister, don't go confusing us with truth and understanding, it might just upset the applecart here.....!  LOL
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02-26-2008, 11:42 PM
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Re: Old way of Holiness Standard do we need to kee
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My mistake - A women should not wear a wig
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Wearing a wig unless she had cancer is a problem.
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If she lost her hair because she had cancer she could not wear a wig.
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A wig because of Hair loss is really not a question for me but between that person, her pastor and God.
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Brother, I don't mean to appear argumentative but here are you quotes, in the order in which you posted them. Read them carefully. Now...do you notice anything missing? Like, maybe a single verse of Scripture to substaniate your position.
No. 1 appears very absolute. A point blank statement with no biblical foundation.
No. 2 seems to say wearing a wig is a problem, unless there is a loophole. By the way, who is a problem for?
No. 3 has to be a typo, because it makes no sense and contradicts No. 2.
And No. 4 makes it clear you are not the authority on the subject (which seems to contradict the assertion made in No. 1.)
Brother, two things: Consistency and at least one verse to substaniate this standard. A part of a verse. Give us something from the Bible that proves this to be a Standard holiness men and women need to adhere to.
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02-26-2008, 11:47 PM
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Re: Old way of Holiness Standard do we need to kee
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Originally Posted by Blaylock
I thought most everyone would post the answer as clothes but sorry you are wrong. It had nothing to do with modesty but spiritual safety. Gen 2:16 - And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
But Adam (the watchman and husbandman of the garden) says: Gen 3:2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
Gen 3:3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
Who added the “touch it”? Adam did! Sometime Pastors have to lead as the Spirit leads them. And when we do this it shouldn’t be because of tradition but of love for their soul
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Hey I like this! Someone finally hit upon a point I have pondered and agreed with based partly on a video study I found on a church (can't remember which one) site taught by a pastors wife, and it was awesome., Very insightful, the gist was that we were/are to see 'standards' as a sort of safety net, setting boundaries that we should not cross in order to guard our souls from venturing too far off into 'the world' and its temptations, dangers, etc., something like that., I have been wanting to find that study again, and perhaps teach it to the youth at church, or even the new convert ladies, it was that good a study I think most anyone could gain from this, some new understanding that is helpful to them in their walk with Jesus.
The "touch it" [or possibly don't touch it/don't cross that line] set some sort of boundary or borderline not to venture past, as it would be one step closer to eating it.(fruit) Evidently Adam had a higher insight of understanding what GOD meant when he included that they should not even 'touch it'..
Another quick analogy of "dont touch it" - an alcoholic is to avoid that first drink, advised to not touch a drink, it would be one step closer to actually drinking it., same with a drug addict, or anyone with some vise or addiction it could even be FOOD, lol., each must avoid the first 'touch'.of that which is forbidden, if conquering that addiction is ever to be obtained.
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02-26-2008, 11:59 PM
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Re: Old way of Holiness Standard do we need to kee
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Originally Posted by Dan'D
Let me guess, Cancer.
Lets get real / her hair lost was not on her own accord.
Dan'D
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If a woman was to cross your path who wore a wig, should she be required to carry her medical records to prove that wearing that wig was due to an illness? Why would you place such an undue burden on someone?
Your posts have shown that your argument was superficial and ungodly! Goodnight!!!
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02-27-2008, 04:08 AM
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Re: Old way of Holiness Standard do we need to kee
There is a wide spectrum of valid definitions on the right look.
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Originally Posted by Dan'D
Good point. But when the inside is right with God we will want the outside to look right also.
Dan'D
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02-27-2008, 04:13 AM
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Re: Old way of Holiness Standard do we need to kee
Would you expect anything less from a group who says television is bad but internet is okay?
Legalism is a cesspool of loopholes.
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Originally Posted by OneAccord
Thats what I love about these rigid, inflexible STANDARDS of man. They are as flimsy as the loopholes they are made of. "A woman cannot wear a wig, unless..." Where in the world (because I already know it didn't come from the Bible) do you get that women are forbidden to wear a wig... unless...of course.... (Mustn't forget the ever present loophole).
Sorry for the arguing. Its really unbecoming. Just go ahead and live by YOUR standards and loopholes. Just glad I don't have to live by them.
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A religious spirit allows people to tolerate hatred and anger under the guise of passion and holiness. Bill Johnson
Legalism has no pity on people. Legalism makes my opinion your burden, makes opinion your boundary, makes my opinion your obligation-Lucado
Some get spiritual because they see the light. Others because they feel the heat.Ray Wylie Hubbard
Definition of legalism- Damned if you do. Damned if you don't. TV
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02-27-2008, 04:16 AM
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God's Son
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Re: Old way of Holiness Standard do we need to kee
The apostolic man is the guy you see at wal-mart with the long sleeve white shirt with enough grease in his hair to lube a semi.
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Originally Posted by HeavenlyOne
You said we should look different.
I'm asking how you look different, not what you don't wear. I know lots of men who don't wear shorts, short sleeves (especially this time of year!), jewelry, toupes, colored hair, long hair, or makeup (thank God!).
If I were to see you in a mall, would I be able to pick you out as Apostolic? Everyone knows you can pick out the women, but why can't the men be picked out?
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A religious spirit allows people to tolerate hatred and anger under the guise of passion and holiness. Bill Johnson
Legalism has no pity on people. Legalism makes my opinion your burden, makes opinion your boundary, makes my opinion your obligation-Lucado
Some get spiritual because they see the light. Others because they feel the heat.Ray Wylie Hubbard
Definition of legalism- Damned if you do. Damned if you don't. TV
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