Why shouldn't I vote for Obama??

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by ChristopherHall

Yeah, there's no doubt Obama is very liberal in his views. That's one reason why I'd have second thoughts before voting for him. I just don't see McCain being able to win, nor do I see McCain giving us anything worth while. At least voting for Obama would prevent Hillary from getting into the White House.

Exactly. Let facts be facts and let lies be lies. The man is not a muslim. Liberal? Yes. Goes to a liberal church? Yes. Goes to a liberal church that is afro-centric and praises men like Louis Farrakhan? Yes. Democrat? Yes. Deal with the facts.

Any candidate can be NOT a muslim and STILL end up helping Muslims to take over America

[ChristopherHall]

Originally Posted by George

It is wrong to pledge allegiance to another country and disregard the country you live in. I don't have a problem with people appreciating their roots, but not to the place it superceeds their allegiance for the country in which they live.

Please show where Trinity Church's allegiance superceeds that of the US Pledge of Allegiance. (Side note, the Pledge of Allegiance was written by Francis Bellamy, a renown and self proclaimed Christian Socialist).

They should have greater respect for America or move to Africa.

I think they are just giving honor to their homeland bro. Their ancestors were brought here against their will. Allow them to at least honor their homeland.

This church is weird! They even require their choir members to wear African clothes! They may be okay for black heritage week, but to require that as the official attire is weird.

Bro, I think some of what they do i weird too...but I'm not of African heritage either. And hey...we're Apostolic. We have a dress standard too. And lots of people think we're weird too. LOL

I will vote for Hillary before I vote for Obama and I don't like Hillary.

That's fair. I've considered that too. I'm part of a Union and they're solidly for Hillary.

I take as much stock in a youtube clip as any circulating email. All videos can be compromised.

Bro...it wasn't a home video...it was from the Senate. LOL

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by George

I agree with Mark. Furthermore, Obama's books, church website, and numerous news clips are not part of an email rumor. Instead of arguing, why don't you read his books and find out for yourself. The guys is bad news.

His books, church website and news clips do NOT even give a shred of evidence to StMarks claim that he is a Muslim on a covert mission to bring terrorism to the US.

[George]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

without sounding condenscending, but did you bother to read anything or did you just cut that part out of context? His first father was OUT of his life by 2...his second by 10.

Yes I had a father...he was an Athiest and I ended up Pentecostal...so your point is what?

BTW His Parents...include a mother....she was NOT Muslim.

And your formative years are from the ages of 0 to 7. During that time his mother was following Muslim men whereever they led her and the kid.

You are fortunate to have found God out of your upbringing. Not many athiests find salvation.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by George

Apparently you never studied stats. It is proven the majority of kids become who their parents are. Alcoholics breed alchoholics, druggies breed druggies, Christians breed Christians, etc. It is a minority of people that do not develop traits, characteristics and beliefs of their parents.

Ok, so Obama is an Atheist Muslim? good grief. He was raised by his white American grandparents

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by George

And your formative years are from the ages of 0 to 7. During that time his mother was following Muslim men whereever they led her and the kid.

You are fortunate to have found God out of your upbringing. Not many athiests find salvation.

Well there you go folks. This man has proven that Obama is a closet Muslim disguised as a Liberal Christian......I don't think so.

How many kids from 0-7 understand religion that well? Personality traits maybe, but not religion.

[ChristopherHall]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Exactly. Let facts be facts and let lies be lies. The man is not a muslim. Liberal? Yes. Goes to a liberal church? Yes. Goes to a liberal church that is afro-centric and praises men like Louis Farrakhan? Yes. Democrat? Yes. Deal with the facts.

I'd agree with most of what you said. But I would caution against saying they praise Louis Farrakhan. For example, we might praise George Washington, but we don't advocate slavery. We might even honor General Lee's contributions to Southern Culture but we don't advocate Slavery. I'm sure they honor Farrakhan as a black social leader who was able to solidify a black social movement for changes they felt would benefit them as black people. That doesn't mean they believe everything about Farrakhan is A-OK.

Any candidate can be NOT a muslim and STILL end up helping Muslims to take over America

True...look at George Bush. If Obama were some secret Muslim plant, it would be Bush's ineptitude that caused the American people to vote for a Democrat over a Republican. LOL

[George]

Originally Posted by ChristopherHall

Ok...so who would you make me vote for?

I wouldn't make you do anything.

[StMark]

Originally Posted by George

It is wrong to pledge allegiance to another country and disregard the country you live in. I don't have a problem with people appreciating their roots, but not to the place it superceeds their allegiance for the country in which they live. They should have greater respect for America or move to Africa. This church is weird! They even require their choir members to wear African clothes! They may be okay for black heritage week, but to require that as the official attire is weird.

I will vote for Hillary before I vote for Obama and I don't like Hillary.

I take as much stock in a youtube clip as any circulating email. All videos can be compromised.

Obama will pledge to Africa but wont even pledge allegiance to America.

I guess Chris is okay with this ???

[ChristopherHall]

Praxeas, these guys are irrational. I'm absolutely beside myself.