Trinity: False Doctrine of Blind Leaders.

Originally Posted by mizpeh

I can't understand a thing you have said. Maybe you have misunderstood me.

There is a difference between the Spirit of Christ in Romans 8:8-11, 2 Cor 13:5, Col 1:27, 1 Peter 1:11 and the man, Jesus Christ, who is at the right hand of God in heaven. I would have to disagree with you and say the Spirit I was baptized with when I spoke in tongues was the Spirit of Christ or simply, Christ. In other places that Spirit is called the Spirit of God, the Spirit of the Father, the Holy Spirit.......etc. We have been all made to drink of ONE Spirit.

To some oneness folks, though, it seems as if there is no difference. To them it's all one and the same. They're so afraid of sounding like trinitarians that they deny those distinctions that are revealed in scripture - such as the distinction between God and the man Christ Jesus.

[tbpew]

Originally Posted by Chan

To some oneness folks, though, it seems as if there is no difference. To them it's all one and the same. They're so afraid of sounding like trinitarians that they deny those distinctions that are revealed in scripture - such as the distinction between God and the man Christ Jesus.

...even if it means changing the simple witness of the common vocabulary words Father and his only begotten Son .

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Chan

To some oneness folks, though, it seems as if there is no difference. To them it's all one and the same. They're so afraid of sounding like trinitarians that they deny those distinctions that are revealed in scripture - such as the distinction between God and the man Christ Jesus.

Years ago, LONG before there was an FCF I recall running into Trinitarians who were not all that into classifying people as a cult for their theological view of the godhead and prefered to refer to us as heterodox than heretics...one guy told me what I believed in was sort of an economic Trinity.

Now as you were pointing out, many OPs would probably be upset at being called that lol.

In fact Modalism was termed a "Trinitarian heresy"....because they still believed in Father, Son and Holy Ghost in unity, but denied the three were distinct persons

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Years ago, LONG before there was an FCF I recall running into Trinitarians who were not all that into classifying people as a cult for their theological view of the godhead and prefered to refer to us as heterodox than heretics...one guy told me what I believed in was sort of an economic Trinity.

Now as you were pointing out, many OPs would probably be upset at being called that lol.

In fact Modalism was termed a "Trinitarian heresy"....because they still believed in Father, Son and Holy Ghost in unity, but denied the three were distinct persons

Yes, there was that whole thing about the economic trinity and the immanent trinity.

What I look at when determining whether a group is a cult or not is mainly what it believes about Jesus. If it denies the divinty of Christ; if it denies the virgin birth, the sinless life, the miracles, the death, the resurrection, or the literal (and yet future) return of Jesus to take His Church home and, later, to reign on Earth for a thousand years, I consider that group a cult.

Originally Posted by tbpew

...even if it means changing the simple witness of the common vocabulary words Father and his only begotten Son .

Many Trinitarians miss that witness too.

[mizpeh]

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Originally Posted by tbpew

No, what is different between our understandings is you seem (forgive me for the necessary speculation) to see Christ as a term strictly limited to application pertaining to the only begotten Son of God. If I am a member of the Body of Christ, the Christ must be something larger and unfolding within God's creative process.

I don't think you read my post. I certainly don't think Christ is strictly the Son of God, the man, Jesus Christ. Christ is God. Christ is another name for the Spirit who is God. The ONE within whom we live and move and have our being. Christ was the rock in the wilderness with the Israelites. The Spirit of Christ was in the prophets of the Old Testament. And just as you have said, Christ is something larger than a man, albeit God become flesh.

I see a great witnesses in Eph 1:3

Yes, this scripture agrees that the Bible in this verse is referring to Christ as other than the glorified human Son of God.

and

the very testimony of who anoints (establishing the etymology of the word Christ)

Only a man can be anointed. I don't recall the Bible saying an angel can be anointed. So in this instance, I believe Christ is speaking of the Son of God. Luke 1:35

I guess for me, if I can confidently proclaim that I am a member of the BODY of CHRIST, and I am on the earth, then the CHRIST is on the earth. I do not make myself the first fruits, nor the head, but I do see myself as the increase that has resulted from a corn of wheat dieing and falling into the ground, bringing forth increase after its own kind.

Can you explain what you mean by the first fruits, the head, the increase of a corn of wheat? These all are referencing the Son of God, who is a physical glorified man in heaven, the anointed one.

Have I made myself clear enough? There is a distinctin between the Father and the Son, the Spirit of Christ and Christ Jesus, the Son of God. It is primarily in mode/state of existence.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by tbpew

mizpeh,
I emphatically disagree that the CHRIST is not walking upon the earth today!

The Christ is the abode of God. The more perfect tabernacle [allusion to Hebrews Chap 9] is the body of Christ.

The body has a head; the only begotten Son of God, the first fruits.

The body has many members; we who are joint heirs with the only begotten Son, we are the harvest.

God's church is the body he has built without man's hands. He has provided himself a house!

God's work of creation began with Christ and ends with Christ.

Except a corn of wheat die and fall into the ground it abides alone. But if it die, it brings forth much fruit. The fruit of the seed is the substance of the seed increased. Everything reproduces after its own kind!

The Christ is not only still on the earth, the Christ is increasing! God is supplying the increase. The Christ is the anointed one. The one doing the anointing is the Spirit of God. The ones being anointed are the members of his body....from head to toe, joint heirs, whereby we call, abba Father.

The old tabernacle has been replaced. Behold, all things have become new.

So this guy believes WE ar God!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Good grief when you thought it would get no worse it does.

[Rhymis]

Well one false doctrien leads to another

[Steve Epley]

Where did the 3God and family of Gods folks go????????????????????????

[Thumper]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Where did the 3God and family of Gods folks go????????????????????????

They went and formed a commitee