Where Have All The Men Gone?

[Jekyll]

Originally Posted by Jekyll

I have heard of this demasculination to be blamed on the decision to allow women to vote.

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Feel free to chime in, Jekyll ... on the discussions ...without always having to address me ... I know you find me irresistible.

Just in case you MISSED IT!!!

I just point out the obvious, Don Juan, just my little contribution to the forum. No, it's not all about you.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

Speak for yourself and your church.

We don't have any soft, neutered men around our place.

I remember a Louisiana preacher saying once, of the quartet he sang with, "I sang tenor, but I didn't sing no girly tenor!"

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

Man or Musician?

[nahkoe]

That's just wrong....

There's your token woman post. Go on, reading this is proving interesting. lol

Originally Posted by BoredOutOfMyMind

Man or Musician?

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

Have you guys noticed that no women are posting on this thread?

Maybe we need a thread titled "Where Have all the Women Gone?"

They were all asleep because they are tired from all the work they do all day long trying to take over for men. NOT!!!

I would like to see this thread get back on topic in regards to the first post.

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by bishoph

I saw this on another forum and asked/received the author (Pastor Steve Buxton of Hilltop Tabernacle Chula Vista, CA) for permission to post it here.

I guess the war was a pretty good excuse to place women in the work force. But glacing backward it seems to me that we not only took women out of the home but ultimately we lost the men in the process. The children of the WWII generation produced an attitude that explored the difference of the sexes while losing the respect of them. The children of the "make love not war generation" as they have moved into power, have done their best to absolutely destroy any deliniation of the sexes. With that has come this nuetered philosophy of Political Correctness of speech.

The reason for my post is that it seems to me that with the departure of real "Maleness" in our society it has become a seedbed for this PC mentality. It bothers me that men ( and I have seen it on this forum ) have to apologize and try to defend themselves if they speak in a way that some would consider not PC. Were the O.T. Prophets P.C.? Were the Disciples? Was Christ? I think not. Trumpets can be loud, disrupting even alarming but they do give a certain sound. Is not the admonition of Isaiah 58:1 to "lift up thy voice like a trumpet..." I am in the Church today because Men of God, Real Men of God, lifted their voices plainly....and I heard them and understood them..and am thankful for them today. Lift up your voice like a trumpet!!

So any comments on why we lost the men in the process?

[rgcraig]

INTERESTING..........

The women in my office were just saying "where are the men these days."

They were talking about a father that lied to his daughter last night because he didn't want to do something he'd promised her.

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

Have you guys noticed that no women are posting on this thread?

Maybe we need a thread titled "Where Have all the Women Gone?"

Last time I checked, I was not a man! LOL I think Rhoni might protest as well

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Encryptus

Song of Solomon aka Song of Songs

Rabbi Akiva a famous martyr and one of the most esteemed of all rabbis stated “If the other books of the Bible are holy, the Song of Songs is holy of holies”

He when on to teach it is a magnificent metaphor for the relationship between God and His people. The strongest of all emotions is love, which is why it must find expression both in the sacred as well as the profane.

God revealed His Word to His people He is the groom, and we are the bride. The sensual parts of the book pose no problems because sex is not something to be dismissed or denigrated. Sex is beautiful, and anything created by God, cannot be dirty in and of itself.

Therefore the Song of Solomon speaks of breasts and scarlet lips, of comely mouths and of a loved one’s neck.

The Song of Solomon is not only part of the Bible but is read by religious Jews every Friday night as they prepare themselves for the spiritual ecstasy of the Sabbath.

There ... there ... more truth unchallenged.

[Kae]

Originally Posted by bishoph

I saw this on another forum and asked/received the author (Pastor Steve Buxton of Hilltop Tabernacle Chula Vista, CA) for permission to post it here.

I guess the war was a pretty good excuse to place women in the work force. But glacing backward it seems to me that we not only took women out of the home but ultimately we lost the men in the process. The children of the WWII generation produced an attitude that explored the difference of the sexes while losing the respect of them. The children of the "make love not war generation" as they have moved into power, have done their best to absolutely destroy any deliniation of the sexes. With that has come this nuetered philosophy of Political Correctness of speech.

The reason for my post is that it seems to me that with the departure of real "Maleness" in our society it has become a seedbed for this PC mentality. It bothers me that men ( and I have seen it on this forum ) have to apologize and try to defend themselves if they speak in a way that some would consider not PC. Were the O.T. Prophets P.C.? Were the Disciples? Was Christ? I think not. Trumpets can be loud, disrupting even alarming but they do give a certain sound. Is not the admonition of Isaiah 58:1 to "lift up thy voice like a trumpet..." I am in the Church today because Men of God, Real Men of God, lifted their voices plainly....and I heard them and understood them..and am thankful for them today. Lift up your voice like a trumpet!!

Feminism in our culture has played a big part in taking away the role of the man. Women wanting a sperm donner so they don't have to deal with the men. Children are growing up thinking the mans role in the family is useless. This has crept into the church. Many women complain when their husbands won't be the spiritual leaders of the home. When men try to do things in the home and it doesn't line up to the womens standards men are criticized and questioned. I know this will rub women the wrong way, but women need to learn to follow their husbands without questioning and let them make mistakes and be there when they fall to hold them up without pointing the finger. It is through failure that leaders learn to lead. Giving your thoughts on a subject and questioning are two different things. A lot of men don't lead spiritually because they are criticized every step of the way. Men need to be appreciated and for their wives to think they are wonderful. This kind of criticism from a wife is disabling to a man. The most important person in his life feels he is a failure, so why try. This will make him want to stay away and not take part in the family. Yet when women make mistakes they expect to be forgiven without critisim.

When the men discipline the children and women don't agree they speak out and destroy the respect for the man in the children's eyes. When women don't agree they need to walk out of the room and later, when the children are not aware, discuss it with their husbands without the pointing finger. Children can read in their mothers eyes want they don't say with words. When I let go of our child and let my husband take over it was a very liberating day for me. He has taught them all to sit still in church. Our 15 month old sits through service and the only time we take him out is to change a diaper or get him water if I forget to bring some. This doesn't mean I don't discipline, I just learn from his example.

They Bible is very clear on a man having control of his family, yet I see ministers children doing somersaults in the isle and it is just a phase. That wouldn't have flown 50 years ago. I also see where women feel it is their responsibility to nurture and raise the child and the husband must do it their way.

I am not talking about being a doormat or letting the man control the women. I am talking about learning to let the husband lead the family. Trusting him enough to let him fail. That is really what submission is about.