Exegesis, n, a critical explanation or interpretation of a text or portion of a text, esp. of the Bible.
Sister Alvear and Bro. RDP (and all others, be ye male or female), let's suspend any experiences (and personal interpretations and common sense) and exegete the verses that have been recently discussed to see if we can build a new doctrine...
1 Corinthians 14:26 How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.
As RDP has posited, this seems to address only "brethren" in only the strictest of gender terms. By strict interpretation, only men can sing, testify, edify, preach, etc. during the gathering of faithful, seeing as Paul said "come together". This is important since no formalized church services were ever described in the NT, only gathering in people's houses. No permission is given to women to utter even the smallest of edifications to the body. She must wait to speak anything until only family members were present.
1 Corinthians 14:34-35
34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
Again, Paul uses the term "churches" but not as we think for a church assembly met in peoples homes. Interestingly enough, the Greek word used for "speak" is a generalized word meaning "utter words". Some have tried to restrict it to mean preaching or giving a sermon, when it simply means "uttering words". So, again my sisters, not even a peep, no sounds, nope, notta, no!!! while church has gathered. And try not to hum or whistle to any of the songs, please. What part of keep silence, keep silence, keep silence is so hard to grasp.
If women want to "learn any thing", by command of the Apostle, do your learning after the church has disbanded for the day or you are back at home. You are not even permitted to glean from the Word spoken by the men only.
1 Timothy 2:11-15
11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.
Paul seems to confirm that these passages are not only about preaching, but, in a very broad context, anything pertaining to a formalized church service.
What utter nonsense!!! This type of thinking, although can be extrapolated from the scriptures, is such a perverse interpretation (although it is a more accurate than the common twisted abuse of condemning women preachers). These scriptures are not speaking of preaching only, but in all aspects of the church service.
Did the above exegesis describe any gathering of saints that you've attended? Why is it that those who use the above scriptures against women preachers, FAIL to use them against ALL women in church services for these verses are quite general?
Does this mean that women can only pray through at home? No speaking in tongues while church is in session? No singing or praising the Lord? No correction of your children?
When are you going to begin your "exegesis" of the texts, instead of your commentary above?? All you've done is try to show what the text doesn't mean [to you, I might add], but you obviously cannot show what I Tim. 2 DOES mean. Try taking just one passage at a time. Do you understand that "exegesis" means to "lift out the intened thought of the writer by using word meanings, context, etc."???? You have absolutely NONE of this above. Try again..............
Yes, this is precislely why I've lost interest to a great degree. Have several other things going, so probably won't be checking in much anymore. If ya'll want to interact w/ me, send me a pvt. email thru AFF.
When are you going to begin your "exegesis" of the texts, instead of your commentary above?? All you've done is try to show what the text doesn't mean [to you, I might add], but you obviously cannot show what I Tim. 2 DOES mean. Try taking just one passage at a time. Do you understand that "exegesis" means to "lift out the intened thought of the writer by using word meanings, context, etc."???? You have absolutely NONE of this above. Try again..............
LOL...RDP, you are such a hoot!!! You beg and beg and beg for someone to do what I did; and then, instead of responding to the contents of the post, you choose to go off on a tangent.
By the way, where did you dig up your definition of "exegesis"? I've checked several dictionaries and they all agree that "exegesis" means "a critical explanation or interpretation of a text or portion of a text".
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Originally Posted by HRea
LOL...RDP, you are such a hoot!!! You beg and beg and beg for someone to do what I did; and then, instead of responding to the contents of the post, you choose to go off on a tangent.
This will probably be my final post on here, though I may check in periodically. But wanted to address your comments briefly.
Honestly, it's glaringly apparent that you've had no training in exegetical methodology. All you offered was a commentary, not even one word definition, tense, context evaluation, etc. The only place that you even attempted a word definition was I Cor. 14:34....which you misquoted! The Greek word for "Speak" here is "Lal-eh-o," & it's alternately translated as "to preach" 6 times in the NT! So, you have a choice, either the passage is saying that a woman cannot utter words, which would prohibit her from praying, or prophesying [which is NOT a Scriptural exposition to men, by the way], receiving the Holy Spirit, etc. Clearly the word soes not mean that. So, what's the only other definition? Need some assistance here? "To Preach!" The entire context was dealing w/ church order, as is I Tim. 2.
Sorry, try again...............but I probably won't stick around to see it, since it's been the same ol' derision devoid of substance for months now.
By the way, where did you dig up your definition of "exegesis"? I've checked several dictionaries and they all agree that "exegesis" means "a critical explanation or interpretation of a text or portion of a text".
You're giving a very basic definition of exegesis [which I used to teach]. But you're not at all giving the methods of exegesis, which is "To lift out the original authorial intent by utilizing word definitions, context, syntax, etc." In sum, you're not detailing the tools of the critique, which you probably aren't even familiar with [which is fine].
Sure this will elicit the typical "LOL"???? This is a waste of my time, praying that God will lead "women preachers" to honest repentance.
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Originally Posted by rdp
You're giving a very basic definition of exegesis [which I used to teach]. But you're not at all giving the methods of exegesis, which is "To lift out the original authorial intent by utilizing word definitions, context, syntax, etc." In sum, you're not detailing the tools of the critique, which you probably aren't even familiar with [which is fine].
Sure this will elicit the typical "LOL"???? This is a waste of my time, praying that God will lead "women preachers" to honest repentance.
Honest repentance....my dear friend if you only know how I hate to get up before a crowd and say anything...lol...you will never know what the call of God is on a woman's life...
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