End Time Army of Women Preachers Psalms 68:11

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by shag

Apparently, you have no desire to put on Christ, or you would lose the sarcasm and insulting posts toward your brothers and/or sisters in Christ. For the life of me I cannot figure our why folks on this thread cannot abstain from sarcasm and insults, so that we can all grow spiritually and help eachother learn accurate interpretation of the scriptures. Is respectful posting that much of a chore? That's seems such an elementary thing to accomplish in the Kingdom.

It's part of their forte. It's probably one reason why a lot of people left the "Apostolics" or go around calling us all mean and other stuff.

It's well deserved on the part of some but it should be clear not all Apostolics are like that.

[RJR]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

2 Timothy 3:2, 12 and Titus 1:6, both of which teach that elders, deacons and other church leaders are to be "the husband of one wife". As we discussed earlier, all Scripture must be interpreted in light of Scripture as a whole. With this in mind, if these verses were intended to be an absolute command that only married men are permitted to be church leaders, then Paul himself would be disqualified, as he was unmarried (2 Corinthians 9:5). If the title of "deacon" was solely reserved for men, how do we explain a lady named Phoebe, who is called a "servant of God" since the Greek word translated "servant" is diakonos, which is where we get the word "deacon?"

Obviously one can serve without being a preacher.

[RJR]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

Would we say this applies to men only:

Luke 14:26 (“If anyone comes to me and does not hate his father and mother, his wife and children, his brothers and sisters--yes, even his own life--he cannot be my disciple”)

While a preacher must first be a disciple, not all disciples are preachers.

[RJR]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

Most would not on the surface understand the world in which Paul lived...It is a wonder that he had women who labored with him in the gospel....

One can work with another and yet still not perform the exact same function. For instance ...

Luk 8:2..  ..And certain women, which had been healed of evil spirits and infirmities, Mary called Magdalene, out of whom went seven devils,
Luk 8:3..  ..And Joanna the wife of Chuza Herod's steward, and Susanna, and many others, which ministered unto him of their substance.

Ministered (same word for deacon) of their substance. Was they preaching their substance or ministering unto Him of their substance so He could minister?

[Praxeas]

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[Praxeas]

I've always gotten the impression that a Preacher was not someone that stood in front of their small congregation, read a verse or two and then yelled.

A Preacher was someone that was proclaiming the gospel to unbelievers not to the "choir"

[RJR]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

I've always gotten the impression that a Preacher was not someone that stood in front of their small congregation, read a verse or two and then yelled.

A Preacher was someone that was proclaiming the gospel to unbelievers not to the "choir"

I understand the concept of witnessing. I also understand the concept offered in this text, AND one does not have ot be at the expense of the other.

1Cor 1:21..  ..For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

1Cor 1:21..  ..For because, by the purpose of God, the world, with all its wisdom, had not the knowledge of God, it was God's pleasure, by so foolish a thing as preaching, to give salvation to those who had faith in him.

1Co 1:21..  ..for, seeing in the wisdom of God the world through the wisdom knew not God, it did please God through the foolishness of the preaching to save those believing.

1Co 1:21..  ..For since in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom did not know God, God was pleased through the foolishness of preaching to save the ones believing.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by RJR

While a preacher must first be a disciple, not all disciples are preachers.

No? Should they be?

Preacher is not one of the 5 fold ministry

Zodhaites

In the NT, except in 2Pe_2:5 (where it speaks of Noah as the herald of righteousness), the word denotes one who is employed by God in the work of proclaiming salvation (1Ti_2:7 [cf. 1Ti_2:5-6; 2Ti_1:11, where it is conjoined with apóstolos {G652}, apostle]). When both designations are used, kḗrux designates the herald according to his commission and work as a proclaimer, while apóstolos, apostle, indicates more his relationship to the one who sent him. The authority of the herald or preacher lies in the message he has to bring (2Pe_2:5), while the apostle is protected by the authority of his Lord who sends him. In 1Ti_2:7 and 2Ti_1:11, kḗrux is also conjoined with didáskalos (G1320), teacher.

Maybe this is why we fail to read the lost on a larger scale? We are led to believe only a special class of men are to preach when we should all be proclaiming the way of salvation to the Lost. Our "method" has often been whittled down to "Invite them to church to hear our preacher".

Yet most of the people that I see bringing those people to church are said to be just the lay members, non ministers who are doing most of the work of bringing souls to church.

That's messed up. We should ALL be called "the Ministry" and all employed in the work as The Ministry even if all it is is inviting someone to church, but even more we often tell THEM to teach bible studies too and "Intercede".

And yet, just because they don't stand behind the pulpit and sermonize they are not Ministers?

We are all called to serve in some capacity.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by RJR

I understand the concept of witnessing. I also understand the concept offered in this text, AND one does not have ot be at the expense of the other.

1Cor 1:21..  ..For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

1Cor 1:21..  ..For because, by the purpose of God, the world, with all its wisdom, had not the knowledge of God, it was God's pleasure, by so foolish a thing as preaching, to give salvation to those who had faith in him.

1Co 1:21..  ..for, seeing in the wisdom of God the world through the wisdom knew not God, it did please God through the foolishness of the preaching to save those believing.

1Co 1:21..  ..For since in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom did not know God, God was pleased through the foolishness of preaching to save the ones believing.

I could not find "Witnessing" in my bible. It calls it "Preaching"...the verses you posted support that. Or should I say verse since it was one verse repeated 4 times

1Co 1:21 For since in the wisdom of God the world by its wisdom did not know God, God was pleased to save those who believe by the foolishness of preaching.

BTW if that is what Preaching is then every message in church should be Acts 2:38 all the time to those that believe. I think you missed the point of what Paul was saying and the Translation I posted should help.

the process is to preach salvation to unbelievers so that they become believers

Rom 10:14 But how are they to call on him in whom they have not believed? And how are they to believe in him of whom they have never heard? And how are they to hear without someone preaching?

[RJR]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

I've always gotten the impression that a Preacher was not someone that stood in front of their small congregation, read a verse or two and then yelled.

A Preacher was someone that was proclaiming the gospel to unbelievers not to the "choir"

Have a problem with these also?

Joh 11:43 And when he thus had spoken, he cried with a loud voice, Lazarus, come forth.

Joh 12:44 Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on me, believeth not on me, but on him that sent me.

Joh 7:28 Then cried Jesus in the temple as he taught, saying, Ye both know me, and ye know whence I am: and I am not come of myself, but he that sent me is true, whom ye know not.

Act 2:14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:

Isa 58:1 Cry aloud, spare not, lift up thy voice like a trumpet, and shew my people their transgression, and the house of Jacob their sins.

Isa 40:9..  ..O Zion, that bringest good tidings, get thee up into the high mountain; O Jerusalem, that bringest good tidings, lift up thy voice with strength; lift it up, be not afraid; say unto the cities of Judah, Behold your God!

Act 16:28 But Paul cried with a loud voice, saying, Do thyself no harm: for we are all here.

Many more where those come from, also look at the definition of preach as in Rom 10:15.

Preach: Of uncertain affinity; to herald (as a public crier), especially divine truth (the gospel): - preach (-er), proclaim, publish.