More on Skirts

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Amanah

I went back through the thread to read what we all have posted to date.

Aquila, you posted that all sin is an abomination to God and I think that this is true.

After reading all the postings on Deut 22:5, we mostly agree that this is referencing cross dressing.

It seems to be debatable whether you can specifically apply the verse to women wearing pants.

On the other hand, Sister Alvear has shown that you can teach against wearing pants from the New Testament without using Deut 22:5. From the standpoint of modesty, propriety, and decency.




And it also seems to be true that for thousands of years women in western civilization did not wear pants it is has been considered to be indecent.

After posting this list, EB brought up that not every "abomination" listed on that list is an "abomination" to the LORD, but rather some were listed as an abomination to the people. So, clearly a theological distinction had to be made to more clearly define terms. We're only discussing that which is an abomination to God.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by n david

No, he's not.

You talk big on here about how pants on women are a sin and abomination, but you don't want to admit unrepentant sin leads to death and hell. It's a show. You don't really believe it's sin, or else you would warn them of what judgment awaits them should they continue to wear their pants.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by n david

Yet you are not warning women who wear pants of the sword and judgment which is coming.

Instead, you are standing idly on a wall, watching the judgment come, and scratching their itching ears, but refusing to say anything about it because you don't want to "kick Christ off the judgment seat."

[Pliny]

Originally Posted by n david

No, he's not.

You talk big on here about how pants on women are a sin and abomination, but you don't want to admit unrepentant sin leads to death and hell. It's a show. You don't really believe it's sin, or else you would warn them of what judgment awaits them should they continue to wear their pants.

Still waiting for you to demonstrate biblically where a godly woman wore pants.

You can't therefore, you try to attack me.

I have said multiple times through scripture what I believe. You and Aquila just want to attack and argue because neither of you can provide evidence where a godly woman wore pants.

Epic fail

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Pliny

Still waiting for you to demonstrate biblically where a godly woman wore pants.

You can't therefore, you try to attack me.

I have said multiple times through scripture what I believe. You and Aquila just want to attack and argue because neither of you can provide evidence where a godly woman wore pants.

Epic fail

You're distorting what phase of this discussion we're in.

You gave ample evidence as to why you believe that pants are the abomination in Deuteronomy 22:5. I disagree with your conclusions. However, we're now moving into HOW YOU APPLY WHAT YOU BELIEVE. And you're failing miserably. You see, if it is an ABOMINATION. It's far more serious than the Christian way of modesty. And you're not seeing this.

[Pliny]

Originally Posted by n david

Yet you are not warning women who wear pants of the sword and judgment which is coming.

Instead, you are standing idly on a wall, watching the judgment come, and scratching their itching ears, but refusing to say anything about it because you don't want to "kick Christ off the judgment seat."

How do you know what I teach? Have you ever been in one of my Bible studies?

Answer NO. Here, we cannot even get past whether or not pants are worn.

Still waiting for you to demonstrate where a godly woman wore pants. You see, you can try to ignore the facts but they are indeed stubborn things.

[Pliny]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I have verses of Scripture where men wore skirts.

Deuteronomy 22:30
A man shall not take his father's wife, nor discover his father's skirt.

Deuteronomy 27:20
Cursed be he that lieth with his father's wife; because he uncovereth his father's skirt. And all the people shall say, Amen.

Ruth 3:9
And he said, Who art thou? And she answered, I am Ruth thine handmaid: spread therefore thy skirt over thine handmaid; for thou art a near kinsman.

1 Samuel 15:27
And as Samuel turned about to go away, he laid hold upon the skirt of his mantle, and it rent.

1 Samuel 24:4
And the men of David said unto him, Behold the day of which the Lord said unto thee, Behold, I will deliver thine enemy into thine hand, that thou mayest do to him as it shall seem good unto thee. Then David arose, and cut off the skirt of Saul's robe privily.

1 Samuel 24:5
And it came to pass afterward, that David's heart smote him, because he had cut off Saul's skirt.
Can you find one where women wore skirts???

1 Samuel 24:11
Moreover, my father, see, yea, see the skirt of thy robe in my hand: for in that I cut off the skirt of thy robe, and killed thee not, know thou and see that there is neither evil nor transgression in mine hand, and I have not sinned against thee; yet thou huntest my soul to take it.

Psalm 133:2
It is like the precious ointment upon the head, that ran down upon the beard, even Aaron's beard: that went down to the skirts of his garments;

Ezekiel 16:8
Now when I passed by thee, and looked upon thee, behold, thy time was the time of love; and I spread my skirt over thee, and covered thy nakedness: yea, I sware unto thee, and entered into a covenant with thee, saith the Lord God, and thou becamest mine.

Zechariah 8:23
Thus saith the Lord of hosts; In those days it shall come to pass, that ten men shall take hold out of all languages of the nations, even shall take hold of the skirt of him that is a Jew, saying, We will go with you: for we have heard that God is with you.

I am still waiting for you to demonstrate where a godly woman wore pants.


Besides, what do you think a "skirt" is in these passages?


Still waiting for the godly woman wearing pants.

[Pliny]

Originally Posted by n david

Pliny, you posted that you believe women who wear pants are committing sin. If this is what you truly believe, what are you doing to warn them of the judgment which is to come if they do not repent and continue to wear pants?

Tell me, man of God, the watchman on the wall: what are you going to do?

You have argued in dozens of posts of how it's a sin and abomination for a woman to wear pants; yet, you have cringed at the thought that this sin and abomination could lead to death and hell.

Man of God, watchman on the wall, why are you standing idly by, watching but warning not of the judgment to come.

"""And thou, son of man, be not afraid of them, neither be afraid of their words, though briers and thorns be with thee, and thou dost dwell among scorpions: be not afraid of their words, nor be dismayed at their looks, though they be a rebellious house."""

"""But thou, son of man, hear what I say unto thee; Be not thou rebellious like that rebellious house: open thy mouth, and eat that I give thee And when I looked, behold, an hand was sent unto me; and, lo, a roll of a book was therein; And he spread it before me; and it was written within and without: and there was written therein lamentations, and mourning, and woe."""

What if Ezekiel and the other prophets refused to warn the people of impending judgment because they didn't want to "kick Christ off His seat of judgment?"

No wonder the church is such a mess! Too many ministers too frightened and scared to call sin what it is. Too afraid to actually tell people what will happen if they are unrepentant and die in their sins.

It's as though some don't believe in hell or eternal damnation.

Another ad-hominem attack. Anything to keep from demonstrating biblically where a godly woman wore pants.

Please provide the passage. Inquiring minds want to know. You can't and we all know it.

[Pliny]

Originally Posted by Aquila

You argued for pants on a woman to be an ABOMINATION. But you don't have the guts to step up to the plate and advocate what is necessary to deal with continued ABOMINATION.

Still waiting...

I guess you STILL cannot find a single godly woman who wore pants...

[Pliny]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Wait, YOU said Deuteronomy 22:5 is about what people WEAR, the same answer should be for T-shirts as for women's pants. Are you going to go down to an even lower form of gutless inconsistency? LOL



I have verses of Scripture where men wore skirts. They were men's attire!

Deuteronomy 22:30
A man shall not take his father's wife, nor discover his father's skirt.

Deuteronomy 27:20
Cursed be he that lieth with his father's wife; because he uncovereth his father's skirt. And all the people shall say, Amen.

Ruth 3:9
And he said, Who art thou? And she answered, I am Ruth thine handmaid: spread therefore thy skirt over thine handmaid; for thou art a near kinsman.

1 Samuel 15:27
And as Samuel turned about to go away, he laid hold upon the skirt of his mantle, and it rent.

1 Samuel 24:4
And the men of David said unto him, Behold the day of which the Lord said unto thee, Behold, I will deliver thine enemy into thine hand, that thou mayest do to him as it shall seem good unto thee. Then David arose, and cut off the skirt of Saul's robe privily.

1 Samuel 24:5
And it came to pass afterward, that David's heart smote him, because he had cut off Saul's skirt.
Can you find one where women wore skirts???

1 Samuel 24:11
Moreover, my father, see, yea, see the skirt of thy robe in my hand: for in that I cut off the skirt of thy robe, and killed thee not, know thou and see that there is neither evil nor transgression in mine hand, and I have not sinned against thee; yet thou huntest my soul to take it.

Psalm 133:2
It is like the precious ointment upon the head, that ran down upon the beard, even Aaron's beard: that went down to the skirts of his garments;

Ezekiel 16:8
Now when I passed by thee, and looked upon thee, behold, thy time was the time of love; and I spread my skirt over thee, and covered thy nakedness: yea, I sware unto thee, and entered into a covenant with thee, saith the Lord God, and thou becamest mine.

Zechariah 8:23
Thus saith the Lord of hosts; In those days it shall come to pass, that ten men shall take hold out of all languages of the nations, even shall take hold of the skirt of him that is a Jew, saying, We will go with you: for we have heard that God is with you.

According to your logic, women shouldn't wear skirts either!

Are you conceding the fact that godly women did not wear pants?

STILL waiting...