Prominent Memphis Area Pastor Resigns - Page 142

CC1 · #**1411** 11-28-2012, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Pastor Keith

I think a lot of people believe that a team of elders should lead a church, that most likely would solve some of this issue. But in the culture that I lead I don't know how to make that work, and I have yet to see a real healthy model up close, I have read about that model, but I haven't seen one up close.

I believe it would work as well as a two headed donkey.

I scream, you scream, we all scream for Ice Cream!

Esaias · #**1412** 11-28-2012, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by CC1

I believe it would work as well as a two headed donkey.

Funny, the Presbyterian model of church government has been around for centuries. They don't seem to have had too many two-headed donkey issues.

CC1 · #**1413** 11-28-2012, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Esaias

Funny, the Presbyterian model of church government has been around for centuries. They don't seem to have had too many two-headed donkey issues.

Under their model churches are not autonomous and must answer to one of the layers of elders above the local elders. It really ends up just being more bureaucracy. You may not have one man controlling things but you still have powerful groups, sometimes with agendas, wielding power.

The Presbtyerian model is not one of plural leaders as some on AFF advocate. Where they essentially want multiple pastors all equal in power and decision making. That is the model I say is like a two headed donkey.

Tlswift2009 · #**1414** 11-28-2012, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by deacon blues

I pastor in Memphis. I like to think that there are quite a few great churches in Memphis.

Amen-me too!!!

Tlswift2009 · #**1415** 11-28-2012, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Farfel

Frankly, this is the same "HYPE/ARROGANCE" that Apostolics as a whole tend to have.

I would not say that all Apostolics as a whole are HYPED/ARROGANT, because I'm not one of these that attempt to promote Elitism/classism among the body: it STINKS, and it's not of God, nor the proper godly spirit/attitude. As a matter-of-fact; my wife and I discerned this spirit many years ago, and this was one of the reasons we did not take fellowship/membership with this organization, although we have visited with this organization's various local churches.

Tlswift2009 · #**1416** 11-28-2012, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Lacey

I agree Sis Barb! Always have enjoyed your posts.
Hope you don't leave us.

Amen, I discerned a genuine concern with this Sister's posts.

Farfel · #**1417** 11-28-2012, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Tlswift2009

I would not say that all Apostolics as a whole are HYPED/ARROGANT, because I'm not one of these that attempt to promote Elitism/classism among the body: it STINKS, and it's not of God, nor the proper godly spirit/attitude. As a matter-of-fact; my wife and I discerned this spirit many years ago, and this was one of the reasons we did not take fellowship/membership with this organization, although we have visited with this organization's various local churches.

You're right. And I must confess that my wording was bad.

By saying "as a whole," I didn't mean all Apostolics were HYPED/ARROGANT. But it certainly is a disease that plagues the Apostolic movement. As well as other movements.

The Lemon · #**1418** 11-29-2012, 06:51 AM

Reminds me of a story. I remember listening to Billy Cole and he made a comment..."You can always tell who our people are in the community, when you see them out and about" He was referring to the "look".

He went on to say, "You say Hi to them and they give you a look that if looks could kill you would just disintegrate, and he said...yes, that is one of ours!"

I have heard many a great preachers and prophet in the UPC mention the lack of love, and spiritual pride in the organization many times. It is an issue that has been there a very long time, and is ever present.

Cindy · #**1419** 11-29-2012, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by The Lemon

Reminds me of a story. I remember listening to Billy Cole and he made a comment..."You can always tell who our people are in the community, when you see them out and about" He was referring to the "look".

He went on to say, "You say Hi to them and they give you a look that if looks could kill you would just disintegrate, and he said...yes, that is one of ours!"

I have heard many a great preachers and prophet in the UPC mention the lack of love, and spiritual pride in the organization many times. It is an issue that has been there a very long time, and is ever present.

Isn't it sad that those kind of people are the ones we remember? When I believe the majority are humble before God and love people.
But, to testify for a great woman of God I will tell you a little story about a Pastor's wife. My daughter met her for the first time and said I didn't think I would like her, she kind of walked like she would be "stuck up". But, Mom she is very loving, when you talk to her she is down to earth. And what my daughter didn't know is, that she would scrub toilets and work hard to keep the church clean.

H Gang · #**1420** 11-29-2012, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Tlswift2009

I would not say that all Apostolics as a whole are HYPED/ARROGANT, because I'm not one of these that attempt to promote Elitism/classism among the body: it STINKS, and it's not of God, nor the proper godly spirit/attitude. As a matter-of-fact; my wife and I discerned this spirit many years ago, and this was one of the reasons we did not take fellowship/membership with this organization, although we have visited with this organization's various local churches.

TLS, I watched that video from their website. "The greatest show in Memphis" was what the minister said. This attitude is pervasive in many churches. Obviously most people choose the church they attend because it best suits them, they like it, they feel its the best place to worship for themselves and or their family. But when someone carries the attitude that they are better than others...pride comes before a fall. And a big part of the problem is it's a "show" rather than a walk with God, a Spirt-filled, Spirit-led life.

I believe God has more than one church in a city trying to reach the masses. It would serve us well to believe He is using large, medium and small sized churches to get the job done. It would serve us well to believe that God is visiting more than one congregation each Sunday, and that there are many churches that are equally as precious and as important in God's sight as the one I attend. It would serve us all well to pray for those other churches, love them, hope for their success in fulfilling the Great Commission and consider them a part of the same great cause that we are a part of, even going so far as seeing them as our brothers and sisters in Christ.

Religious elitism is sickening.