More on Skirts

[Pliny]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Pliny... I don't see pants on a woman as an abomination. We'd never kick a woman out over pants. LOL

Let me remind you... it is YOU who claims that a woman wearing pants is an ABOMINATION. LOL

Wrong again. It is the Bible.

Pants are worn.
Godly men wore pants.
Godly women did not.

Deu. 22:5 is about what people wear.

Still waiting for you to demonstrate, Biblically, where godly women wore pants.

[Pliny]

Originally Posted by n david

Right, you don't want to address the issue, so you change the subject.


Who was the audience Peter was addressing? I'll give you a hint: it wasn't sinners. I'm talking about people in known unrepentant sin, not saints.

I guess Peter was a legalistic meanie, since he wrote, in verse 14: "Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless."

Guess you missed that part.

I never changed the subject.
I am STILL waiting for your side to demonstrate biblically where a godly woman wore pants.

It is your side that has changed the subject. Most likely because you cannot deal with the question because it reveals the fact that you have no evidence to present.

Do you have biblical evidence to present where godly women wore pants? NO? I didn't think so.

[Amanah]

I went back through the thread to read what we all have posted to date.

Aquila, you posted that all sin is an abomination to God and I think that this is true.

After reading all the postings on Deut 22:5, we mostly agree that this is referencing cross dressing.

It seems to be debatable whether you can specifically apply the verse to women wearing pants.

On the other hand, Sister Alvear has shown that you can teach against wearing pants from the New Testament without using Deut 22:5. From the standpoint of modesty, propriety, and decency.

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

In 1 Timothy 2:9-10, the apostle Paul writes “I also want the women to dress modestly, with decency and propriety, adorning themselves not with elaborate hairstyles or gold or pearls or expensive clothes, but with good deeds, appropriate for women who profess to worship God.”
Not the KJV but it is what I have opened up too at this moment.

And it also seems to be true that for thousands of years women in western civilization did not wear pants it is has been considered to be indecent.

Originally Posted by Aquila

The following is a list of things the Bible considers an abomination:

•Unclean things (Lev. 7:21)
•Customs of pagans (Lev. 18:30)
•Idols (2 Chr. 15:8; 1 Pet. 4:3)
•Sins of men (Ps. 14:1; 53:1)
•Cheating (Mic. 6:10)
•Lost souls (Rev. 21:8)
•A froward man (perverse; one who turns aside (Pro. 3:32; 11:20)
•A proud look (Pro. 6:16-17)
•A lying tongue (Pro. 6:17; 12:22)
•Hands that shed innocent blood ((Pro. 6:17)
•A wicked scheming heart (Pro. 6:18)
•Feet that are quick to sin (Pro. 6:18)
•A false witness that speaks lies (Pro. 6:19)
•A sower of discord (Pro. 6:19)
•Wickedness (Pro. 8:7)
•A false balance or scale (Pro. 11:1)
•Sacrifices of the wicked (Pro. 15:8; 21:27)
•The way of the wicked (Pro. 15:9)
•The thoughts of the wicked (Pro. 15:26)
•The proud of heart (Pro. 16:5)
•Justifying the wicked (Pro. 17:15)
•Condemning the just (Pro. 17:15)
•Divers, dishonest weights (Pro. 20:10, 23)
•Divers, dishonest measures (Pro. 20:10)
•Refusing to hear the law (Pro. 28:9)
•Prayers of the rebel (Pro. 28:9)
•Eating flesh of peace offerings on the 3rd day (Lev. 7:18)
•Same sex acts (Lev. 18:22; 20:13; Dt. 23:18)
•Taking ornaments from idols when being destroyed (Dt. 7:25-26)
•Any Idolatrous practices (Dt. 12:31; 13:14; 17:4; 18:9; 20:18; 29:17)
•Offering an imperfect animal to God as a sacrifice (Dt. 17:1)
•Any traffic with demons (Dt. 18:7-12)
•Wearing clothes of the opposite sex (Dt. 22:5)
•Bringing the hire of a harlot or sodomite into God's house (Dt. 23:18)
•Re-marriage of former companions (Dt. 24:1-4)
•Cheating others (Dt. 25:13-16)
•Making images/idols (Dt. 27:15)
•Idols of Ammon (1 Ki. 11:5)
•Idols of Moab (1 Ki. 11:7; 2 Ki. 11:13)
•Idols of Zidon (2 Ki. 23:13)
•Incense offered by hypocrites (Isa. 1:13)
•Eating unclean things (Isa. 66:17)
•Offering human sacrifices (Jer. 32:35)
•Robbery (Ezek. 18: 6-13)
•Murder (Ezek. 18: 6-13)
•Adultery (Ezek. 18: 6-13)
•Oppression of others, particularly the poor or vulnerable (Ezek. 18: 6-13)
•Violence (Ezek. 18: 6-13)
•Breaking vows (Ezek. 18: 6-13)
•Lending with interest to a brother (Ezek. 18: 6-13)
•Lying with a menstruous woman (Ezek. 18: 6-13)
•Hardness of heart (Ezek. 18: 6-13)
•Injustice (Ezek. 18: 6-13)
•Worship of anti-Christ (Dan. 11:31; 12:11; Mt. 24:15; 2 Th. 2:4; Rev. 13)
•Incest (Lev. 19: 6-30)
•Things highly esteemed by man (Lk. 16:15)
•Many other sins of the nations (Lev. 18: 26-29; Dt. 18: 9-12; 20:18; 29:17; 1 Ki. 14:24; 21:2, 11; 23:24; 2 Chr. 28:3; 33:2; 34:33; 36:14; Ezek. 7: 3-20; 8: 6-17; 16: 2-58; 20: 4-30; Rev. 17: 4-5)

It is abundantly clear from scripture that all sin is considered an abomination by God. While one can debate degrees of seriousness and punishment for sin, it is clear that, according to the Bible, all sin is an abomination.

[Pliny]

Originally Posted by n david

Weak. Typical. You can't answer the question, and don't like that it disproves your theory, so you fall back on falsely claiming that I think I know more than the translators. To use your statement: "Which is a haughty way of saying I do not want to answer because it reveals how ignorant your position is."

Right,you know more about translating Hebrew into Greek and English than the scholars.

I will stick with the translators. They use the word "wear". Your argument demonstrates how desperate your position is. You know you cannot provide evidence of a godly woman wearing pants so now you have to shift the focus and try to argue that Deu. 22:5 has nothing to do with what people wear.

Desperate indeed!

[Pliny]

Originally Posted by n david

So it really is all a big show, well, with Pliny at least.

Pants on women are a sin and abomination ... but, not so much that it requires them actually saying so to the women who wear them. And definitely they don't want to talk about the consequences of it being a sin and an abomination.

Remind me again, what happened to the watchman who didn't warn the people?

"But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the trumpet, and the people be not warned; if the sword come, and take any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at the watchman's hand."

If you believe pants on women is a sin and abomination, and you do not warn them of the judgment to come ... their blood is on your hands, Pliny.

Another false allegation. I have said repeatedly that I teach and preach and try to build people up. That is what a watchman does. He warns by telling people about danger. This is a metaphor for teaching and preaching. Thank you for demonstrating once again that you have no idea what you are talking about.

Once again we see the desperation to change the subject.

Please demonstrate, Biblically, where a godly woman wore pants.
Since it is apparent that this cannot be done, the leftists must change the subject and launch ad-hominem attacks in an attempt to hide the fact that they cannot produce the passage requested.

[Pliny]

Originally Posted by Esaias

The issue is not just KNOWN sin, I made that clear pages way back.

You are intellectually dishonest. There is no point in further discussion, so have at it.

[Pliny]

Originally Posted by n david

You obviously must have missed this post by Aquila, since you're falsely accusing him of not trying to restore or teach.

Okay. He's a hypocrite for condemning me for doing what he says he does.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Pliny

Okay. He's a hypocrite for condemning me for doing what he says he does.

No, he's not.

You talk big on here about how pants on women are a sin and abomination, but you don't want to admit unrepentant sin leads to death and hell. It's a show. You don't really believe it's sin, or else you would warn them of what judgment awaits them should they continue to wear their pants.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Pliny

Another false allegation. I have said repeatedly that I teach and preach and try to build people up. That is what a watchman does. He warns by telling people about danger. This is a metaphor for teaching and preaching.

Yet you are not warning women who wear pants of the sword and judgment which is coming.

Instead, you are standing idly on a wall, watching the judgment come, and scratching their itching ears, but refusing to say anything about it because you don't want to "kick Christ off the judgment seat."

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Pliny

Still can't find that verse where godly women wore pants.

I have verses of Scripture where men wore skirts.

Deuteronomy 22:30
A man shall not take his father's wife, nor discover his father's skirt.

Deuteronomy 27:20
Cursed be he that lieth with his father's wife; because he uncovereth his father's skirt. And all the people shall say, Amen.

Ruth 3:9
And he said, Who art thou? And she answered, I am Ruth thine handmaid: spread therefore thy skirt over thine handmaid; for thou art a near kinsman.

1 Samuel 15:27
And as Samuel turned about to go away, he laid hold upon the skirt of his mantle, and it rent.

1 Samuel 24:4
And the men of David said unto him, Behold the day of which the Lord said unto thee, Behold, I will deliver thine enemy into thine hand, that thou mayest do to him as it shall seem good unto thee. Then David arose, and cut off the skirt of Saul's robe privily.

1 Samuel 24:5
And it came to pass afterward, that David's heart smote him, because he had cut off Saul's skirt.
Can you find one where women wore skirts???

1 Samuel 24:11
Moreover, my father, see, yea, see the skirt of thy robe in my hand: for in that I cut off the skirt of thy robe, and killed thee not, know thou and see that there is neither evil nor transgression in mine hand, and I have not sinned against thee; yet thou huntest my soul to take it.

Psalm 133:2
It is like the precious ointment upon the head, that ran down upon the beard, even Aaron's beard: that went down to the skirts of his garments;

Ezekiel 16:8
Now when I passed by thee, and looked upon thee, behold, thy time was the time of love; and I spread my skirt over thee, and covered thy nakedness: yea, I sware unto thee, and entered into a covenant with thee, saith the Lord God, and thou becamest mine.

Zechariah 8:23
Thus saith the Lord of hosts; In those days it shall come to pass, that ten men shall take hold out of all languages of the nations, even shall take hold of the skirt of him that is a Jew, saying, We will go with you: for we have heard that God is with you.