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Old 10-19-2007, 01:37 AM
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Old Time Pentecost is not exactly brimming with professional people. I believe that the pastor involved took particular pride in the fact that his son in law was a respected Cardiologist.

Not only was this man his son in law but also a church member. I understand that the Dr. is very impressive and likable and pretty much everyone was proud he was a member of their church and friend.

I am afraid the stature that comes with being a respected Doctor probably carried even more importance in this situation and when a horrible reality burst the bubble the pastor was in denial.

Add to this the pastors health issues and the fact that he particularly found joy in this son in law as other offspring had endured marital problems and married persons he found unworthy, and I believe you have a recipe for disaster.

You would think there would be a little rightous indignation at your grand daughers being violated. Or at least a fair hearing and the realization that with multiple accusations from multiple victims the old saying that where there is smoke there is fire might apply.

I am sure that within the pastors circle of ministerial friends this has been spun as vindictive girls lying to "get" someone but the truth is most or all of these girls looked up to and loved the accused and his wife.
For some folks it's Jewelry....for others it's titles, wealth and affluence

Jas 2:1 My brothers, show no partiality as you hold the faith in our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory.
Jas 2:2 For if a man wearing a gold ring and fine clothing comes into your assembly, and a poor man in shabby clothing also comes in,
Jas 2:3 and if you pay attention to the one who wears the fine clothing and say, "You sit here in a good place," while you say to the poor man, "You stand over there," or, "Sit down at my feet,"
Jas 2:4 have you not then made distinctions among yourselves and become judges with evil thoughts?
Jas 2:5 Listen, my beloved brothers, has not God chosen those who are poor in the world to be rich in faith and heirs of the kingdom, which he has promised to those who love him?
Jas 2:6 But you have dishonored the poor man. Are not the rich the ones who oppress you, and the ones who drag you into court?
Jas 2:7 Are they not the ones who blaspheme the honorable name by which you were called?
Jas 2:8 If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, "You shall love your neighbor as yourself," you are doing well.
Jas 2:9 But if you show partiality, you are committing sin and are convicted by the law as transgressors.
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Old 10-19-2007, 05:30 AM
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Title, education, and wealth does not a good son-in-law make.

A good son-in-law has character, works hard to build a life for his family, and protects & loves your daughter and the children more than himself.
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Old 10-19-2007, 07:53 AM
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I have already heard enough to know that there will not be any "good outcome" of this.

Irreversible damage has been done. There may be healing, but the damage will never be reversed.
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Old 10-19-2007, 09:20 AM
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These kind of situations take place in every strata of life including that of the wealthy and famous. Cover-up happens on all levels of society.

To blame the church or conservative Pentecost is not sensible in my opinion.
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Old 10-19-2007, 09:40 AM
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It's the law in virtually every state that any pastor or clergy who has knowledge of a case child abuse or neglect must report it to the civil authorities.
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This is not the first of this kind of thing in Pentecost. I know first hand of another situation involving famous Pentecostal names and remarriage to a sexual perp and the perp is a major member of a big Pentecostal church and is used in a leadership role by a Pastor I highly respect. I would like to think the pastor does not know the man's history but I have a hard time believing that. This is a situation involving a repeat offender who even if you believed his sins were under the blood once again you would not allow to be in leadership in the role this guy was in.
Why is it only law for Pastors?
Does ANYONE with this knowledge have the MORAL obligation to report this?
That's one of the disturbing facets of this.
If Ken Haney, or anyone else, has "vague" knowledge of situations shouldn't they be reported?

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The reason I ask is because I myself have knowledge of "certain irregularities"
How far back are these incidents convictable?
What if You promised the victim Your silence.
We need a lawyer!!!!!!!!!
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Old 10-19-2007, 09:51 AM
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Old 10-19-2007, 10:05 AM
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I know I've come to this thread a little late and maybe some of this has already been discussed.

There were some things that I found very odd. Like why on earth a married woman would want a girl bordering on adolescence sleeping between she and her husband.
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Old 10-19-2007, 10:10 AM
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These kind of situations take place in every strata of life including that of the wealthy and famous. Cover-up happens on all levels of society.

To blame the church or conservative Pentecost is not sensible in my opinion.
Did you read the whole article Felicity?

There was mention of whether or not this pastor should be allowed to stay in office. Who controls that? The church.

Sounds like in this case, the church isn't doing its job very well, if at all. This reporter spoke with Bro. Haney himself.

And even then he was vague about it all...this law or that law, or this procedure or that procedure. Whether or not they were followed, or even dealt with. It almost sounds like the reporter may be the one that has spurred some into action when no action was previously taken.

Unless there's more to this story that we don't know about, the church was NOT acting responsibly by any stretch of the imagination. Otherwise, I doubt this man would still be holding office.
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I know I've come to this thread a little late and maybe some of this has already been discussed.

There were some things that I found very odd. Like why on earth a married woman would want a girl bordering on adolescence sleeping between she and her husband.
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Ashlyn recalls Beth asking her if she wanted to sleep with her and Klem that night. Ashlyn was extremely close to Beth and spent many nights in bed with her, so she didn't think much of the invitation. Beth slept between Ashlyn and her 38-year-old husband.
Ashlyn is the girl, so she was not in the middle. The wife, Beth, was in the middle.
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Old 10-19-2007, 10:12 AM
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I know I've come to this thread a little late and maybe some of this has already been discussed.

There were some things that I found very odd. Like why on earth a married woman would want a girl bordering on adolescence sleeping between she and her husband.
The niece wasn't sleeping between them...he reached OVER his wife to touch the girl.

"Her uncle had reached across his sleeping wife"
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