A Godhead Question

Originally Posted by Praxeas

God might have created the male Chromosome, but I would not call that getting his humanity from the Spirit. A man needs both halves to be human...to exist. God Himself, his Spirit, does not have genes

This idea might lead us to believe that he was in some way made UNLIKE us and not of the seed of Abraham as the Word declares.

I prefer to believe that he was of the seed of David according to the flesh. This is also brought out in Heb. 2:16, called her of the seed of Abraham.

Rom 1:3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;

It is from the male seed that the male chromosomes. He obviously had both the X and Y together if he was in all things made like unto his brethern.

[Truly Blessed]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

Jesus is the name of the Father. That's why we pray in Jesus name, not for authority to speak to the Father, but because his name is Jesus. He is no longer called Jehovah.

I am the son of Lyman Israel Curtis, but I addressed him as Father because that was the relationship I had with the person to who that name belongs. If Jesus would instruct His disciples to pray, "Our Father..." I believe it was meant to be instructional and relevent. God wants us to relate to Him as son with father. I'm sorry but I don't relate to Jesus so much as Father, but as Son, Savior, and Mediator. Like Paul, and Jesus Himself, I have no problem addressing God as "Father". He doesn't have an identity crisis and knows what His name is, just as my earthly father had no problem with me calling him father rather than by his name.

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by Truly Blessed

I am the son of Lyman Israel Curtis, but I addressed him as Father because that was the relationship I had with the person to who that name belongs. If Jesus would instruct His disciples to pray, "Our Father..." I believe it was meant to be instructional and relevent. God wants us to relate to Him as son with father. I'm sorry but I don't relate to Jesus so much as Father, but as Son, Savior, and Mediator. Like Paul, and Jesus Himself, I have no problem addressing God as "Father". He doesn't have an identity crisis and knows what His name is, just as my earthly father had no problem with me calling him father rather than by his name.

I call God, Father, as well. I've been born again and have become His child.

I object to saying we pray in Jesus name because it is an authority we have from the Son to pray to the Father. When I call on the name of God, it is not Jehovah, it is Jesus. When I pray to God our Father, it is in His name, Jesus. That is my point not that we should not call God, Father.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Brother Strange

This idea might lead us to believe that he was in some way made UNLIKE us and not of the seed of Abraham as the Word declares.

How can that be when I specifically said He was of the seed of Abraham through Mary, as the word declares. Nor does it imply he was NOT like us since BOTH his DNA was genetically human.

I prefer to believe that he was of the seed of David according to the flesh. This is also brought out in Heb. 2:16, called her of the seed of Abraham.

You must not have read what I posted. I said in a previous post, before you asked me this question, that he gets his humanity through Mary and that Mary is a descendent of David. That is how He is of the seed of David.

Rom 1:3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;

Preaching to the choir

It is from the male seed that the male chromosomes. He obviously had both the X and Y together if he was in all things made like unto his brethern.

Which is why I said maybe God created a male chromosome...are you suggesting Joseph really was His father? Im kinda confused at what you are trying to say.

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How can that be when I specifically said He was of the seed of Abraham through Mary, as the word declares. Nor does it imply he was NOT like us since BOTH his DNA was genetically human.


You must not have read what I posted. I said in a previous post, before you asked me this question, that he gets his humanity through Mary and that Mary is a descendent of David. That is how He is of the seed of David.


Preaching to the choir

Thank you for your response. It appears that our thoughts are pretty much together so far.

Which is why I said maybe God created a male chromosome...are you suggesting Joseph really was His father? Im kinda confused at what you are trying to say.

No. Joseph was not His father after the flesh. Mary was a virgin at the time of Jesus' birth.

However, if God created some male chromosomes, implanting them in Mary, then would it not stand a reason that Jesus was NOT of the seed of Abraham after the flesh? It would seem not. Rather, it would stand a reason that Jesus would have been a specially created being in the genesis. Wouldn't you agree?

I have some ideas, but they would only be conjecture. Nevertheless, remaining strictly to the letter of the Word, we are left with little else except Heb. 2:16 & 12, Rom 1:3, Jn. 7:42 and II Tim. 2:8 and similar scriptures. My ideas must conform to the letter of these scriptures...which they do.

[Steve Epley]

God furnished the sperma and Mary furnished the egg like every other conception. The Holy Ghost deposited the seed and Mary concieved. God was His Father, the Eternal Spirit.

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

God furnished the sperma and Mary furnished the egg like every other conception. The Holy Ghost deposited the seed and Mary concieved. God was His Father, the Eternal Spirit.

Ah ha!

God His biological Father? Divine sperma?

Interesting?

Would he be considered half and half? Half God and half man?

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by Brother Strange

Ah ha!

God His biological Father? Divine sperma?

Interesting?

Would he be considered half and half? Half God and half man?

Adam had XY chromosomes without natural parents. He was all man (human).

Originally Posted by mizpeh

Adam had XY chromosomes without natural parents. He was all man (human).

True. But...,

The subject of discussion was of Jesus.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Brother Strange

However, if God created some male chromosomes, implanting them in Mary, then would it not stand a reason that Jesus was NOT of the seed of Abraham after the flesh? It would seem not. Rather, it would stand a reason that Jesus would have been a specially created being in the genesis. Wouldn't you agree?

Brother why are you asking me that? I just answered this question/issue twice now. He was of the seed of Abraham after the flesh THROUGH Mary.

So now my question is this...God did not create a Male chromosome...Jesus did not get it from Joseph...are you saying he got it somewhere else or just did not have one?

I have some ideas, but they would only be conjecture. Nevertheless, remaining strictly to the letter of the Word, we are left with little else except Heb. 2:16 & 12, Rom 1:3, Jn. 7:42 and II Tim. 2:8 and similar scriptures. My ideas must conform to the letter of these scriptures...which they do.

Gal 4:4 But when the fullness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law

Made is from the greek word Ginomai and is where we got our word for generate.
ghin'-om-ahee
A prolonged and middle form of a primary verb; to cause to be (“gen” -erate), that is, (reflexively) to become (come into being), used with great latitude (literally, figuratively, intensively, etc.): - arise be assembled, be (come, -fall, -have self), be brought (to pass), (be) come (to pass), continue, be divided, be done, draw, be ended, fall, be finished, follow, be found, be fulfilled, + God forbid, grow, happen, have, be kept, be made, be married, be ordained to be, partake, pass, be performed, be published, require, seem, be showed, X soon as it was, sound, be taken, be turned, use, wax, will, would, be wrought.