Christmas is not pagan

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Originalist

The only "Law" a Christian submits to is found in Romans 8:2, "law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus." Thus if I walk in this Law, I will not fulfill the lust of the flesh (violate God's moral absolutes). I do not look to the 10 Commandments as my Law. However, the Law I do abide by will conform my behavior to the moral code of God.

So, the Law you abide by will conform your behaviour to, for example, the Fourth Commandment?

Glad to hear that!

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Esaias

So, the Law you abide by will conform your behaviour to, for example, the Fourth Commandment?

Glad to hear that!

That's not a moral issue. The Apostles made it clear it is fulfilled in Christ and not binding on Christians. Please stop trying to establish your own righteousness, which is of the Law (of Moses) but rather submit yourself to the righteousness of God

[coksiw]

Originally Posted by Originalist

That's not a moral issue. The Apostles made it clear it is fulfilled in Christ and not binding on Christians. Please stop trying to establish your own righteousness, which is of the Law (of Moses) but rather submit yourself to the righteousness of God

Would you please define according to the Scriptures what constitutes a “moral” issue vs a “non-moral” issue when it comes to God’s commandments?

As far as I know, all disobedience to God is sin, and a moral issue.

[good samaritan]

Originally Posted by coksiw

Would you please define according to the Scriptures what constitutes a “moral” issue vs a “non-moral” issue when it comes to God’s commandments?

As far as I know, all disobedience to God is sin, and a moral issue.

Morality is built upon on the premise of loving(not mistreating) our neighbor(fellow man). Love God/love neighbor is what the whole law is built on.

The law given to Moses obviously served three purposes:

1) It gave specific application of how ancient Israel was to serve God in a pagan world.
2) It gave practical application (relevant to ancient Israel) of how to treat one another justly.
3) It foreshadowed the redemptive work of Jesus Christ.

Truly all disobedience to God is sin, but context is important. God commanded Israel to tithe of the increase of their land.

Do we have to tithe, or was that explicitly for the nation of Israel that inhabited the land of Canaan? (Tithing is not mandated on the church.)

But, to be consistent, Sabbath day keeping is not commanded to the church either.

Can we utilize these commandments for our good? Yes we can, but we are not under some legal obligation. We are to be filled with the Spirit and therefore bearing fruit of the Spirit.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Originalist

That's not a moral issue. The Apostles made it clear it is fulfilled in Christ and not binding on Christians. Please stop trying to establish your own righteousness, which is of the Law (of Moses) but rather submit yourself to the righteousness of God

Where is the "moral code of God" to be found, so that a man might "examine himself" to see if he is, in fact, conformed to the will of God?

Oh, and where did the apostles "make it clear" the Fourth Commandment isn't binding on Christians? Don't forget to show your work..

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Where in the New Testament in any of the Epistles are we shown the celebration of Christ's birth? Ecclesiastes 7:1 is pretty plain, "a good name is better than precious ointment, And the day of death than the day of one’s birth." Trying to show a predate of an Xmas tradition of Christians would need to be established with their ancient documents which we have in the epistles of the Apostles. But trying to prove, or establish a case based on later ancient Christian sects is problematic. Due to heresies which were taught by many ancient Christian sects. Xmas is Western and Eastern Roman mass. Will you also argue for the other holy days within the months of December and January? The whole debate of Xmas being Christian usually stem from a Protestant view point. Because no mention of the other holy days which revolve around the Xmas, are even taken into account. All anyone tries to prove is the Xmas being a celebration held by the original Christians. Yet, never trying to prove the other holy days as being originally practiced by the early church. Xmas (as we have today) is a culmination of different pagan, and heretical Western and Eastern Roman traditions.

Xmas is religious mess.

Thanks, and good night.

Xmas is NOT Christian

GOOD NIGHT

[good samaritan]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Xmas is NOT Christian

GOOD NIGHT

Merry Christmas to you anyway hope you have a great weekend.

Temps here last couple nights in the negatives. This has been holiday season for the books here in TN.

[coksiw]

I have the feeling Originalist started the conversation to play "on the X day of Christmas" Song.
He wakes up every morning and look at the thread and sings:

"On the 12th day of Christmas the apo friends said to thee:
diakonos: Enjoy your catholic holiday;
seguidordejesus: Heartily agree;
.... "

[good samaritan]

Acts 21:21
And they are informed of thee, that thou teachest all the Jews which are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, saying that they ought not to circumcise their children, neither to walk after the customs.

I wonder what the l customs Paul is said to have taught against besides circumcision?

[good samaritan]

1 Corinthians 9:19-21
19......For though I be free from all men, yet have I made myself servant unto all, that I might gain the more.
20......And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;
21......To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law.

when I read the scriptures, I don’t get the impression that Paul was a strict Jewish Sabbath keeper.