Judged By A Bearded Man

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Amanah

I'd say he is a lonely man with a face only a mother could love.

LOL

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by 1ofthechosen

What if I told you God allows His man to set standards? And in so going against it even bickering and making fun as you and others do on here, you are really coming against God.

I have chapter and verse for this you ready?

Exodus 19:9-13 "the Lord said unto Moses, Lo, I come unto thee in a thick cloud, that the people may hear when I speak with thee, and believe thee for ever. And Moses told the words of the people unto the Lord. [10] And the Lord said unto Moses, Go unto the people, and sanctify them to day and to morrow, and let them wash their clothes, [11] And be ready against the third day: for the third day the Lord will come down in the sight of all the people upon mount Sinai. [12] And THOU SHALT SET BOUNDS UNTO ThE PEOPLE round about, saying, Take heed to yourselves, that ye go not up into the mount, or touch the border of it: whosoever toucheth the mount shall be surely put to death: [13] There shall not an hand touch it, but he shall surely bestoned, or shot through; whether it be beast or man, it shall not live: when the trumpet soundeth long, they shall come up to the mount."

Now let's start with verse 12, where does a a Mountain start? He clearly told Moses to set up boundaries for this by his discretion. And to execute judgement even.

Now look at 10-11 what did God tell Moses "And the Lord said unto Moses, Go unto the people, and sanctify d them to day and to morrow, and let them wash their clothes, [11] And be ready against the third day: for the third day the Lord will come down in the sight of all the people upon mount Sinai."

Now let's look at what Moses tells the people..
Go with me to verse 14-15 "And Moses went down from the mount unto the people, and sanctified the people; and they washed their clothes. [15] AND HE SAID UNTO THE PEOPLE, BE READY AGAINST THE THIRD DAY: COME NOT AT YOUR WIVES."

Now, Moses totally added that I'm verse 15. You would call that legalistic, but guess what Goes anointed man has that authority and right. It's the same as God saying it.

Ok New Testament example. Acts 15:24-29 "FORASMUCH AS WE HAVE HEARD, THAT CERTAIN WHICH WENT OUT FROM US HAVE TROUBLED YOU WITH WORDS, SUBVERTING YOUR SOULS, SAYING, YE MUST BE CIRCUMCISED, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment: [25] It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul, [26] Men that have hazarded their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. [27] We have sent therefore Judas and Silas, who shall also tell you the same things by mouth. [28] For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things; [29] That ye abstain from meats aa offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: ab from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well."

Now let's go ahead to the beginning of Chapter 16:1-3 "Then came he to Derbe and Lystra: and, behold, a certain disciple was there, named Timotheus, the son of a certain woman, which was a Jewess, and believed; but his father was a Greek: [2] Which was well reported of by the brethren that were at Lystra and Iconium. [3] HIM WOULD PAUL HAVE TO GO FORTH WITH HIM; AND TOOK AND CIRCUMCISED HIM because of the Jews which were in those a quarters: for they knew all that his father was a Greek."

Now do you see that? The Holy Ghost just decreed they didn't have to be Holy Ghost, but God's man in the very next Chapter took Tomothy and circumcised him. More extra bibical revelation, is Paul now a legalist, and needs to repent of going back to his pharaseeical ways?

I say it like this, I'd rather have to shave then be circumcised and you didn't see Timothy complaining. Sounds like to me he was the one truthfully under the gun or the knife if you will! There's standards Al through out the scripture, and when it comes to God's anointed man, to go against Him is Spiritually the same as going against God. To do that just to some guy who.leads a chrucb is a lot different then going against God's anointed in a place that is truthfully His church. Every place that says church, or Call's theirself Pentecostal, or even Apostolic for that matter, doesn't automatically fall under this category. But if it does, and that's Gods candlestick, and thats God's man His anointed messenger, then you are fighting against God Himself no ifs, and's,or but's. Beware!

Mini-papacy.

Do you even Bible, bro?

[Aquila]

Pastors are not mini-popes. They are not infallible. They do not establish doctrine. The canon is complete. The Bible tells us everything we need to know in order to be saved. It needs no help from man. And God never gave authority to men to take away from, nor go beyond, His Word. If a man does either, while threatening Hell or dividing the body, He is out of bounds.

I believe this is a spirit. The spirit of Diotrephes.

3 John 9-10 English Standard Version (ESV)
9 I have written something to the church, but Diotrephes, who likes to put himself first, does not acknowledge our authority. 10 So if I come, I will bring up what he is doing, talking wicked nonsense against us. And not content with that, he refuses to welcome the brothers, and also stops those who want to and puts them out of the church.

I suggest we be Bereans...

Acts 17:10-11 English Standard Version (ESV)
10 The brothers immediately sent Paul and Silas away by night to Berea, and when they arrived they went into the Jewish synagogue. 11 Now these Jews were more noble than those in Thessalonica; they received the word with all eagerness, examining the Scriptures daily to see if these things were so.

If the Scriptures do not include a prohibition on beards... it just isn't so.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Apostolic1ness

MTD do you ever get tired of the argument? Or are these contentious topics like fuel for the fire?

Am I not welcome in my own thread? Am I not responding to a post where a guy is saying one has no freedom about how they live in Christ? Moses never did the things he did of his own mind.

How pathetic. Circumcision was a big issue among Jews. Paul thought best for Tim to be circumcised. On the other hand beards were NEVER an issue in the Bible EXCEPT as something positive.

And perhaps if the "men of God" you would give all authority over our lives to had anything CLOSE to the anointing Moses or Paul had one would be more likely to obey if perhaps they spoke something led by the Spirit but maybe not so clear in scripture.

[Michael The Disciple]

Why no answer to this question?

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

So if the man of God tells your wife and daughters to wear panty hose?

Do the "man of god gets to be king" believers balk at their Preacher demanding their women to wear panty hose?

[Aquila]

Mini-Popery.

[1ofthechosen]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

So if the man of God tells your wife and daughters to wear panty hose?

??

[1ofthechosen]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Why no answer to this question?



Do the "man of god gets to be king" believers balk at their Preacher demanding their women to wear panty hose?

What does any of this have to do with what was said? Address what I said, I'm not up for chasing rabbit trails

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by 1ofthechosen

What does any of this have to do with what was said? Address what I said, I'm not up for chasing rabbit trails

Are you kidding? You just got done promoting the idea "the man of god gets to be king" saying that Moses made up his own rules to prove modern Preachers can do the same.

Yet EB said in another thread that ONLY HE has the right to tell the females in his family how to wear undergarments.

So IF the man of God tells your wives to wear panty hose are you going to obey?

[1ofthechosen]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Are you kidding? You just got done promoting the idea "the man of god gets to be king" saying that Moses made up his own rules to prove modern Preachers can do the same.

Yet EB said in another thread that ONLY HE has the right to tell the females in his family how to wear undergarments.

So IF the man of God tells your wives to wear panty hose are you going to obey?

I don't wear pantyhose obviously.

I never said Moses made up his own rules. But he was given a position as a leader by God, to create boundaries. And I showed from the scriptures where it was ok with the Almighty. Unless now your saying Moses,the Apostle Paul, and Elder N.A. Urshan are going to hell for taking a stand on things not expressed exclusively by God's Word.

Do you truthfully believe Romans 13:1-7 is only about secular leaders? But as to the anointed leaders by God of His Church, that you don't even have to go the second mile with? Mike do you believe God is all powerful?