Psychotropic Drugs in Religious Rituals

[Amanah]

Elder Benincasa is a man of God who walks by faith and believes God for healing. He would not give you advice that he does not follow himself. It is his job to preach the gospel and preach faith for healing.

The main issue here is pharmaceuticals, how addictive they are, and the real possibility of spiritual consequences.

If you want medical advice, see a medical Doctor.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Aquila

EB, I'm smarter than that.

Besides, PTSD doesn't exist, remember? It's only in people's heads. It has nothing to do with a change in brain chemistry. It's all in our heads. We're faking. We're weak. We just don't have what it takes, right? We just need to get over it. And if we loved Jesus enough, we'd stop whining about bad dreams. It's all in our heads. Wasn't that what you said?

You threaten suicide and today your all fresh and ready to argue?

You are a mess, you have zero credibility here.

You need to get some direction, get some ministry, in your life, and much needed help. PTSD doesn’t exist? Everyone on this forum should point you to the nearest church and ministry. Because sooner or later it is going to catch up with you.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Amanah

Elder Benincasa is a man of God who walks by faith and believes God for healing. He would not give you advice that he does not follow himself. It is his job to preach the gospel and preach faith for healing.

The main issue here is pharmaceuticals, how addictive they are, and the real possibility of spiritual consequences.

If you want medical advice, see a medical Doctor.

Thank you sister.

But Chris, is an internet troll, who isn’t looking for help.

Pray that he gets it together.

[houston]

Ban him.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Thank you sister.

But Chris, is an internet troll, who isn’t looking for help.

Pray that he gets it together.

No, I'm just a poster in a discussion forum.

Discuss the topic, not the people.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by houston

Ban him.

Because others blow things way out of proportion? lol

If you have a question about something I said, who is best to explain to you my meaning and intention? Me, or EB? Let me assure you that though EB speaks like he is an authority on me, he doesn't know me. And most of the things he knows about me are twisted conclusions that he's drawn on his own, in spite of anything I've said to clarify. He's fighting a fictitious caricature of me. It's actually rather strange if you sit back, be objective, and think about it. The guy tries to "pastor" me over a discussion forum... and I don't know him from Adam. Why would anyone take that seriously? It's almost like a mental illness. (Notice, he'll go off the rails saying I said he had a mental illness. But I don't know him well enough to say that. I only said, "It's almost like", he has a mental illness.) Just watch. He'll do it. lol

Take a deep breath, don't let them fill you with fear or concern, and be assured... I never threatened suicide. I simply asked if I did, would EB care for my children? The point is, EB can say whatever he likes, but vets with PTSD are killing themselves. And if medication can help them manage, is that so bad? After all, EB doesn't have to clean up the mess his ideas can make in real people's lives. It's no different than a televangelist telling diabetics over television that they can cease taking their insulin because God will heal them. If someone dies or is rendered seriously ill, the televangelist doesn't have to live with the fallout. That's all that my statement was designed to illustrate.

Now, as I said before... you can trust me, the one who said what I said, or you can trust EB... who doesn't even know my middle name.

Just be objective, and consider what I've explained above.

P.S.
I have only discussed cannabis as it relates to medical purposes, in contexts wherein it is legal, on a thread that is titled, "Psychotropic Drugs in Religious Rituals", that wasn't even posted by me. No one is promoting recreational drug use or drug abuse.

[houston]

Ban him.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Amanah

Elder Benincasa is a man of God who walks by faith and believes God for healing. He would not give you advice that he does not follow himself. It is his job to preach the gospel and preach faith for healing.

I think EB has gone beyond that. What would you think if a televangelist told diabetics that there was absolutely no benefit in taking insulin and that they should cease taking it, and believe that God has healed them? Certainly, anyone can see that such a statement might be sincere, but reckless.

EB has done the equivalent. EB has said that there is absolutely no medical benefit as it relates to psychotropic medications and cannabis. But the data is actually to the contrary. Over 60 peer reviewed studies have indicated that there are medical benefits as it relates to cannabis alone. Now, let's not kid ourselves. There certainly are concerns, but to say that there is absolutely no benefit to these medications, especially when these things are used to help psychologically unstable people, is just as reckless as an evangelist telling diabetics to stop taking their insulin.

The main issue here is pharmaceuticals, how addictive they are, and the real possibility of spiritual consequences.

Amen. That's why if I needed medication, I'd prefer something all natural that wasn't addictive (or at least as addictive as so many of these pharmaceuticals), and didn't have the long list of unbelievable side effects.

If you want medical advice, see a medical Doctor.

Amen. Even the most sincere preachers are not doctors.

[Aquila]

Speaking of diabetics. I knew a diabetic who was healed by God. The pastor and others gathered around him in church and prayed for God to heal him. He asked the pastor if he should stop taking his medication, and the pastor told him to keep taking it, but trust Jesus. Within a week, the man was getting really really sick. He went to see his doctor and apparently it was the insulin making him ill. So, he was taken off the insulin and showed no signs of diabetes. He was healed!

The point is, taking medication doesn't negate Jesus' healing power. This isn't an "either/or" circumstance. Jesus is so awesome, you can take your meds, be miraculously healed, and ditch the meds upon confirmation of your miracle. So if you're reading this and taking any medication (natural or synthetic), don't worry about if you should ditch your meds or if you're committing some sin in taking medication. Pray for healing and just trust Jesus. Healing will come in accordance to His will and timing. Your medications can't stop or hinder Christ's healing power when God choose to heal you.

So, if you're reading this and wondering if you should stop taking your meds, the answer is no. You don't have to stop taking your meds. Just pray for healing, take your meds, and trust God.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I think EB has gone beyond that. What would you think if a televangelist told diabetics that there was absolutely no benefit in taking insulin and that they should cease taking it, and believe that God has healed them? Certainly, anyone can see that such a statement might be sincere, but reckless.

EB has done the equivalent. EB has said that there is absolutely no medical benefit as it relates to psychotropic medications and cannabis. But the data is actually to the contrary. Over 60 peer reviewed studies have indicated that there are medical benefits as it relates to cannabis alone. Now, let's not kid ourselves. There certainly are concerns, but to say that there is absolutely no benefit to these medications, especially when these things are used to help psychologically unstable people, is just as reckless as an evangelist telling diabetics to stop taking their insulin.



Amen. That's why if I needed medication, I'd prefer something all natural that wasn't addictive (or at least as addictive as so many of these pharmaceuticals), and didn't have the long list of unbelievable side effects.



Amen. Even the most sincere preachers are not doctors.

Originally Posted by Aquila

Speaking of diabetics. I knew a diabetic who was healed by God. The pastor and others gathered around him in church and prayed for God to heal him. He asked the pastor if he should stop taking his medication, and the pastor told him to keep taking it, but trust Jesus. Within a week, the man was getting really really sick. He went to see his doctor and apparently it was the insulin making him ill. So, he was taken off the insulin and showed no signs of diabetes. He was healed!

The point is, taking medication doesn't negate Jesus' healing power. This isn't an "either/or" circumstance. Jesus is so awesome, you can take your meds, be miraculously healed, and ditch the meds upon confirmation of your miracle. So if you're reading this and taking any medication (natural or synthetic), don't worry about if you should ditch your meds or if you're committing some sin in taking medication. Pray for healing and just trust Jesus. Healing will come in accordance to His will and timing. Your medications can't stop or hinder Christ's healing power when God choose to heal you.

So, if you're reading this and wondering if you should stop taking your meds, the answer is no. You don't have to stop taking your meds. Just pray for healing, take your meds, and trust God.

Sorry, but your game is over.

You claim that you care about people, that you care about veterans? That you care about those who have PTSD?

Let's look at the facts

1) you made light of a child being dragged to a lit stove, and tortured by their stepparent. I don't know you? I don't know your middle initial? You are a person who is the liberal defender of the people? Bernie Sanders devotee?

2) last night you said that if you committed suicide would I take care of your children? You have PTSD? You have admitted that PTSD isn't restricted to veterans. What about abused children? Chris, you crossed lines before, and you will cross them again. Yet, when you come under the gun, you scream wee, wee, wee, all the way home? Then you use suicide dramatically against other posters so you can make your points? Really? I don't have to know your middle initial, I read the outrageous tripe you post. You want a discussion? About what? How cannabis will make mommy and daddy in love again? You don't think that will elicit a response?

Chris, you are a phony, noting more than a troll.

PTSD? Threats of suicide? Followed with drama concerning your own children? You use your own children? Like one poster said, you need the VA.

Like I said this morning, you have zero credibility.

You think cannabis is a wonder drug, that outshines the Holy Ghost? Then go buy you a bag.

My mother had type 2 diabetes and she stopped taking her meds and she wasn't Apostolic. She didn't have the Holy Ghost, she didn't pray. She went vegan, and exercised.

Chris, like I said, I don't need to know your middle initial, I got your address.

I have been reading your material for years.

Go find a church.