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View Poll Results: Do you believe in sinless perfection?
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Yes we can cease from sin.
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No one will always be prone to sin.
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We all sin everyday.
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05-17-2018, 05:12 PM
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Re: Sinless Perfection
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Originally Posted by Aquila
Oh, I do love him. I don't agree on every point. And I looked. They don't make them like him any more.
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How convenient.
You are typical. 
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05-17-2018, 05:18 PM
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Re: Sinless Perfection
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Originally Posted by Aquila
Hey, if you want to believe that the Bible is all about spiritual mind science, be my guest.
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Mind science? Oh, Chris, is that yet another topic you are clueless about? 
So, you have built a religion that teaches as long as you are skin and bone and not a full spirit being. You are going to be subject to doing all sorts of things brought on by temptations? Meaning, you actually have no control of yourself, and really neither does God. Because you are apt to give into desires, but when you do, you are quickly forgiven because after all you live in a sinful human body? That's not Gnosticism? Adam nature has nothing to do with what we are made out of, it has to do with how we think, what we desire, not with our skin and bones.
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05-17-2018, 05:21 PM
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Re: Sinless Perfection
Therefore Jesus tells Nicodemus to be born again.
Nicodemus thinks it is about his human body.
Jesus corrects him and tells him it is spiritual rebirth.
Good God from Zion!
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05-17-2018, 05:24 PM
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Re: Sinless Perfection
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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple
We are supposed to have this mindset.
11: Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
12: Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
13: Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
14: For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. Rom. 6:11-14
We are dead to sin. We do all that we do by faith. This can be just as real as salvation itself. Just believe Yah's word. Act as if it is true. Sin is abnormal for the disciple of Christ. |
That's in the here and now.
Having dominion over oneself through the power of Jesus Christ as the head.
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05-17-2018, 05:28 PM
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Re: Sinless Perfection
Matthew 16:24 Jesus tells His students to deny themselves, and take up the instrument of Roman execution. Did Jesus tell them to all be executed physically? Or not my will, but your will be done. It is talking about human wills changing to fit God's will. Too simple, boys and girls, too simple.
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"all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed."
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05-17-2018, 05:29 PM
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Re: Sinless Perfection
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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple
If I recall Bro Sharer was as close to teaching sinless perfection as anyone I can think of in the UPC.
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He believed we can live above sin. As do I. But he didn't deny that we had, what he called, "stinkin', sinful, flesh" to overcome daily. As do I.
1 Corinthians 9:27
But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway. It's my understanding that sinless perfection doctrine denies the sinful nature of the flesh, ie, the body, that we'll contend with until death or glorification. It teaches a deification if the flesh in the present that eradicates the sinful nature of the flesh, leading one to live a 100% sin free life with zero sinful nature to contend with.
Pastor Shearer never taught that.
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05-17-2018, 05:29 PM
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Re: Sinless Perfection
Well, out of 7 voters in the poll, 6 agree with the Bible. So there's that. 
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05-17-2018, 05:31 PM
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Re: Sinless Perfection
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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa
Therefore Jesus tells Nicodemus to be born again.
Nicodemus thinks it is about his human body.
Jesus corrects him and tells him it is spiritual rebirth.
Good God from Zion!
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So we shouldn't water baptize the body? Now you're sounding Quaker! Lol
Jesus said water and Spirit. That involves body and Spirit. See, it's all a partial perspective.
Come into the fullness of understanding, and be saved. 
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05-17-2018, 05:31 PM
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Re: Sinless Perfection
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It's my understanding that ...
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100% of your problems, right there.
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05-17-2018, 05:33 PM
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Re: Sinless Perfection
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Originally Posted by Aquila
He believed we can live above sin. As do I. But he didn't deny that we had, what he called, "stinkin', sinful, flesh" to overcome daily. As do I.
1 Corinthians 9:27
But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway. It's my understanding that sinless perfection doctrine denies the sinful nature of the flesh, ie, the body, that we'll contend with until death or glorification. It teaches a deification if the flesh in the present that eradicates the sinful nature of the flesh, leading one to live a 100% sin free life with zero sinful nature to contend with.
Pastor Shearer never taught that. |
Here you go, there's the excuse for Aquila.
Wow, my old pastor called it "stinking thinking" and he knew your old pastor.
So, Chris when Jesus said that to look upon a woman and lust after her. Was it in your body, or in your heart?
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