Seconds of Pre Embryonic Life of Jesus Christ?

[Amanah]

Originally Posted by Sean

My question was, was the Spirit(God) made flesh?

Please tell me if it is so.

Jesus is the image of the invisible God Colossians 1:15

if you have seen Jesus you have seen the Father

John 14
8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?

[Sean]

24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.


Jesus described the Spirit God, which he was made from.

He was a flesh/man saying what God consists of.

[Amanah]

Jesus is God manifested in the flesh 1 Tim 3:16

[Amanah]

John 1:1-14King James Version (KJV)
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.
8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Amanah

Jesus is the image of the invisible God Colossians 1:15

if you have seen Jesus you have seen the Father

John 14
8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?

Yes, read on...


10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.


Look what else the indwelling Father does through Jesus.....


24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.



This is how the express image of the invisible God was made visible...insid Jesus speaking through Jesus.



Another verse to reconcile....


No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Amanah

John 1:1-14King James Version (KJV)
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.
8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Yes, Gods' spoken word proceeds from Him and is the creative force/physical reaction of God's thoughts.

The same spoken word made the worlds.

[Amanah]

when you mess with eschatology its one thing
but when you mess up ontology that is another thing altogether.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Amanah

Jesus is God manifested in the flesh 1 Tim 3:16

2 schools of thought here.


The H/U school....


16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in(INTO) the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.



The original school....


16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God(Father) was manifest(Revealed) in(Inside) the flesh(Jesus), justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.


The original school has been misrepresented by H/U.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Amanah

when you mess with eschatology its one thing
but when you mess up ontology that is another thing altogether.

I am attempting only to reconcile unanswerable scriptures.

Books are written to attempt to explain these verses to fit certain beliefs.

I guess I blew it a few years ago and began to believe the verbatim words of John and Rev. 3 etc.

[Sean]

Gotta go to work.

If anyone can interject something I am missing, I will respond.

If H/U is right, I will go back to it.

If not, I will keep trying to get to the bottom of this subject.

Thank you all.