Aquila? JD? Light? Why So Quiet?

[aegsm76]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Trump promises to Make America Great Again.... being from a strong union family, I find it difficult to believe Trump wants to make America great again. After all, even his "Make America Great Again" campaign hats were made in China. lol

A - you are repeating false liberal talking points.
Even Snopes says Trump hats were made in the USA.
links
http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-p...124-story.html

http://www.snopes.com/donald-trump-hat-china/

A bit troubling that you buy into the liberal line so easily, is it not?

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

A - you are repeating false liberal talking points.
Even Snopes says Trump hats were made in the USA.
links
http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-p...124-story.html

http://www.snopes.com/donald-trump-hat-china/

A bit troubling that you buy into the liberal line so easily, is it not?

Troubling? Why is it troubling that a liberal democrat "buys the liberal line so easily"?

[Jito463]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Why would you say that prochoice is my favorite cause? It isn't. In fact, I see every abortion as a tragedy. I'd always advise to choose life over abortion. I firmly believe that states should be within their rights to regulate abortion in accordance to viability.

You see, you've not really had this discussion with me, you're assuming something so that you can attack me with it. I think that's a rather emotionally unbalanced and dishonest manner of dialogue.

Okay, your second favorite cause. Seriously, every time abortion is brought up (or you bring it up yourself), you're always espousing the liberal talking points that a woman should have the right to choose. What about the baby's right to choose? Nope, can't have that.

Originally Posted by Aquila

For the record, my "favorite cause", is H.R. 676. Just to keep you in the loop.

http://www.pnhp.org/publications/uni...are-act-hr-676

This cause is dear to me because of my personal experience of having lost a loved one who couldn't afford health insurance. Had they had health insurance, the odds are good that they'd still be here today. And prior to the ACA nearly 45,000 Americans died every year from treatable conditions because they couldn't afford treatments or procedures that were necessary to save their lives. You see, this rationed health care in America was allowing tens of thousands to die every year. Why? Because they didn't have insurance or cold hard cash. Healthcare was rationed out based on ability to pay. Thus, one doesn't have a "right" to live if they are sick, unless they are able to afford insurance or rich enough to pay out of pocket.

So you don't believe in prayer? Prayer has far greater chances of saving someone, than any worldly health care system.

Originally Posted by Aquila

And yet I'm lectured over "right to life"....

Considering how hard you push the "pro-choice" mantra, yes.

Originally Posted by Aquila

The single greatest influence on women when it comes to abortion is.... conservatives. For they are all so "moral".... as long as it doesn't cost them anything.

That is a bald-faced lie. Yes, I said LIE. Whether you are spreading it intentionally, or have just drunk the kool-aid and never learned the truth, it is a lie. Conservatives donate far more to charities than liberals ever have. Lieberals are only generous with other people's money. Conservatives are generous with their own money.

Originally Posted by Aquila

I'm glad nations like Belgium has figured it out. Their abortion rate is lower than America's has ever been. And they are a rather secularized, democratic socialist, prochoice nation. They also have universal healthcare coverage. Let's hear it for Belgium!

You know why those European countries can afford to fund their social systems? Because they don't have to spend millions and billions of dollars on defense. We, the USA, expend that money on their behalf. If we were to pull out of Europe once and for all, you'd find every one of those social systems collapsing within months.

[aegsm76]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

A - you are repeating false liberal talking points.
Even Snopes says Trump hats were made in the USA.
links
http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-p...124-story.html

http://www.snopes.com/donald-trump-hat-china/

A bit troubling that you buy into the liberal line so easily, is it not?

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[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Jito463

Okay, your second favorite cause. Seriously, every time abortion is brought up (or you bring it up yourself), you're always espousing the liberal talking points that a woman should have the right to choose. What about the baby's right to choose? Nope, can't have that.

I don't think you understand the issue. A woman's fetus is the fruit of her womb. It is essentially a part of her until it is viable. Therefore, it is entirely under her authority as part of her own body. Now, we can grant individual women the right to "choose", placing the moral responsibility of such a choice entirely upon individual women.... or.... we can empower the GOVERNMENT to FORCE a woman to give birth against her will. This isn't just a liberal talking point. It is part of the discussion that was held before the Supreme Court. The SCOTUS ruled that it would be a greater violation of personal sovereignty to FORCE a woman to give birth against her will. After all, if a GOVERNMENT can violate a woman's personal sovereignty and FORCE her to give birth against her will, it can violate a woman's sovereignty and FORCE her to abort.

Giving a person the right to choose isn't agreement with their every choice.

Life on earth is full of uncomfortable realities. Life and death decisions are made by people in various contexts every day. The government giving women the right to choose regarding abortion is essentially making the choice to abort one of those life and death decisions granted to the individual.

I see abortion as a tragedy. I agree with any abortion regulations upon viability. Please be honest in your assessment of my position.

So you don't believe in prayer? Prayer has far greater chances of saving someone, than any worldly health care system.

Faith without works is dead. We should pray for healing and seek healing. We should pray for the sick, and then treat them.

Considering how hard you push the "pro-choice" mantra, yes.

I don't see it as pushing the prochoice mantra. I see it as seeking to balance the sovereignty of the individual against the power of government.

That is a bald-faced lie. Yes, I said LIE. Whether you are spreading it intentionally, or have just drunk the kool-aid and never learned the truth, it is a lie. Conservatives donate far more to charities than liberals ever have. Lieberals are only generous with other people's money. Conservatives are generous with their own money.

Really, then why do liberal nations have far lower abortion rates? Why is it that the abortion rate hit a 30 year all time low under the Clinton Administration?

Think about it, it's common sense. If a woman doesn't have health insurance and therefore can't afford prenatal screenings and exams or afford delivery costs, etc. what is she likely to do? An abortion is only roughly $200. Ever connect the fact that 2 out of 3 women who procure abortion live below the poverty line and report being uninsured???

Don't get me wrong, charity is valuable. But we're dealing with millions of women. Trying to say that charity can address the issue is like trying to put out a raging inferno with a squirt gun.

You know why those European countries can afford to fund their social systems? Because they don't have to spend millions and billions of dollars on defense. We, the USA, expend that money on their behalf. If we were to pull out of Europe once and for all, you'd find every one of those social systems collapsing within months.

Nearly $100 BILLION in corporate subsidies and tax breaks issued to corporations already recording record profits every year has nothing to do with this, does it??? Senseless wars and occupations, nation building, and provision of universal health insurance for those nation's citizens doesn't factor in either, does it? Remember, the provisional Iraqi government set up by the Bush Administration provided universal health insurance for Iraqis.... subsidized by you and me as part of the foreign aid package for Iraq. Bro.... we're talking TRILLIONS of dollars thrown into the hole we made called the Iraq War.

If "conservatives" were truly "conservative" with the budget.... we'd have enough to fund a program like H.R. 676. Technically, we've already allocated nearly 2 thirds of what it would cost in Medicare, Medicaid, and other subsidized medical programs. Centralize these programs, get rid of duplicity, and expand the funding. We can afford it.

You guys need to think big and stop being so wimpy. Anything Europe can do, we can do... better.

[Amanah]

Aquila,

I have been absent from AFF for awhile and I'm curious about your current affiliation. Under your Forum name is *Apostolic Friend (Quaker)*

If I recall you have progressed from Apostolic to Calvinist to a strong proponent of House Church, and now you are a Quaker?

If you don't mind answering my question, how has this evolution of belief led you to a more liberal viewpoint and an acceptance of abortion as a right?

[aegsm76]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

A - you are repeating false liberal talking points.
Even Snopes says Trump hats were made in the USA.
links
http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-p...124-story.html

http://www.snopes.com/donald-trump-hat-china/

A bit troubling that you buy into the liberal line so easily, is it not?

A - looks like you missed addressing this, again.

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by Amanah

Aquila,

I have been absent from AFF for awhile and I'm curious about your current affiliation. Under your Forum name is *Apostolic Friend (Quaker)*

If I recall you have progressed from Apostolic to Calvinist to a strong proponent of House Church, and now you are a Quaker?

If you don't mind answering my question, how has this evolution of belief led you to a more liberal viewpoint and an acceptance of abortion as a right?

the liberal road is a slippery road that lead down to agnosticism and eventually into atheism.

[Pressing-On]

Yep! Pretty much sums up the situation.

He’s Not Merely “A Politician”, He’s a Liar.

A lot of people have been noticing Trump changing his positions, backing down, backing off, softening up and basically not doing the things that he ran on doing. The biggest recently is his total pass (sort of like a pardon) on prosecuting Hillary, despite absolutely vowing a special prosecutor. For some reason, he’s being given a pretty big pass on that by those who opposed him vehemently during the election. I am not so inclined to just let him off the hook because “that’s politics.”

That’s politics? Give me a break. That’s Trump. Other politicians move goalposts, yes. They compromise, fine. Trump lied. Fact. Other politicians do it, but not so spectacularly, frequently, easily, and sometimes with no obvious reason the way our president-elect does.

http://www.redstate.com/absentee/201...cian-hes-liar/

[n david]

Lyin' Donald.

Watched this all through the primary. He's a pathological liar.