The Biblical tithe, re-examined - Page 14

Tithesmeister · #**131** 01-02-2018, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Sean

Wow, this is a double barrel shotgun going off, of a post.

I declare you the honorary king of posters.....

Thank you Sean. You are too kind. Sometimes I get a LITTLE bit passionate.

Evang.Benincasa · #**132** 01-03-2018, 06:45 AM

Well, we see Jesus proclaim that the widow’s mite was the greatest, because she gave of her lack. Not of her increase. Abraham was a pagan who left paganism, somewhat. He and his sister wife leave his father’s house with his nephew. He fights a battle, and as was customary, he give tithes of his war chest to a religious leader who also was not only a pagan but a Gentile. Abraham wasn’t circumcised, and neither was Melchizedek. Abraham had the seeds of the 12 tribes within him. Which is pointed out in Hebrews 7:1-28. Our giving in the New Testament is one that can’t be feigned, but can only be given with a true sincere devotion to Jesus Christ as our high priest. The tithing and offerings of the Church are freely given just as Abraham freely gave to Melchizedek. Melchizedek represents Christ, no being and no end. Jesus had a genealogy, but the king of Salem didn’t. I can go with the theophony thought on this, but as Hebrews points out it is much more. A new and better covenant, removing the priesthood of Levi. Bringing in the priesthood of Melchizedek.

Sean · #**133** 01-03-2018, 06:58 AM

Tithemeister, just one question since you guys are in Hebrews 7.

How does Jesus actually receive the Christian tithe if all saints are priests?

I thought we all are priests with 1 high priest.

Evang.Benincasa · #**134** 01-03-2018, 07:04 AM

We aren’t Levites. Also we don’t have a Levitical high priest.

Evang.Benincasa · #**135** 01-03-2018, 07:10 AM

I’ve notice that a huge lion share of the anti-tithe argument is based on Levitical duties. When Paul pointed out the Christian minister being taken care of he associates it with the Levite only in one aspect. Which he associates with war spoils, livestock and vineyard produce. Paul paints this picture to show ministerial support. Not that the Christian minister was actually a Levite.

Sean · #**136** 01-03-2018, 07:15 AM

I have heard every week the tithe belongs to God and we are tithing to God.

I would like to understand what they are referring to per Hebrews 7.

Hebrews 7 and Mal 3 don't mix, because Heb 7 differentiates the 2 priesthoods.

If we are equals in the priesthood, how do we get the tithe to "Melchisedek"?(Jesus)

Sean · #**137** 01-03-2018, 07:17 AM

If my wife, a fellow believer and an equal to me in the faith, is also a priest, can I tithe to her to get it to "Melchisedek"(Jesus)?

Sean · #**138** 01-03-2018, 07:19 AM

That is all for now Tithemeister, your comments are needed here.

Thanks.

Aquila · #**139** 01-03-2018, 08:17 AM

I found it rather shocking when I discovered that the Jews don't even tithe today. Since there isn't a temple system in operation, nor is there a Levitical priesthood to give the tithes to, they view tithing as a sin. In addition, most rabbinical scholars have pointed out that the tithe was strictly connected to the Holy Land. And so one living outside of the Holy Land wouldn't be required to tithe at all.

I believe that Christ came in judgment against the entire OT system in AD 70. This not only destroyed the temple, but decimated the Levitical priesthood. And so, I believe that tithing ceased at that time.

I believe in what is called "Grace Giving". It is composed of free will offerings and vows (pledges).

Amanah · #**140** 01-03-2018, 08:31 AM

How does this passage figure into the discussion? I take it to mean that we should support those who labor among us in the ministry to make sure they are not lacking in any necessary thing.

1 Cor9:9 Am I am not an apostle? am I not free? have I not seen Jesus Christ our Lord? are not ye my work in the Lord?
2 If I be not an apostle unto others, yet doubtless I am to you: for the seal of mine apostleship are ye in the Lord.
3 Mine answer to them that do examine me is this,
4 Have we not power to eat and to drink?
5 Have we not power to lead about a sister, a wife, as well as other apostles, and as the brethren of the Lord, and Cephas?
6 Or I only and Barnabas, have not we power to forbear working?
7 Who goeth a warfare any time at his own charges? who planteth a vineyard, and eateth not of the fruit thereof? or who feedeth a flock, and eateth not of the milk of the flock?
8 Say I these things as a man? or saith not the law the same also?
9 For it is written in the law of Moses, thou shalt not muzzle the mouth of the ox that treadeth out the corn. Doth God take care for oxen?
10 Or saith he it altogether for our sakes? For our sakes, no doubt, this is written: that he that ploweth should plow in hope; and that he that thresheth in hope should be partaker of his hope.
11 If we have sown unto you spiritual things, is it a great thing if we shall reap your carnal things?
12 If others be partakers of this power over you, are not we rather? Nevertheless we have not used this power; but suffer all things, lest we should hinder the gospel of Christ.
13 Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar?
14 Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.