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Re: You find a piece of paper....
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Originally Posted by Lafon
Wow! Give me a break, PLEASE! Read my post again, only this time do it real slowly.
Where did I preach AGAINST "divine healing"? I did NOT state, suggest, or in ANY manner insinuate that "divine healing" does NOT still happen today! I am NOT a FOOL, nor would I ever make such a FOOLISH statement!
What I did, however, was REFUTE your assertion that "divine healings" comes about as a direct consequence of the physical beatings ("stripes") our Lord endured at the time of His crucifixion, showing how the words of Isaiah 53:5 and I Peter 2:24 are statements showing that such "stripes" were endured for the "healing" of our SINS, TRANSGRESSIONS, and INIQUITIES!
I re-read your post...and mine. I did not refer to the sins, transgressions, and iniquities, but to
the healing of our bodies: sickness, infirmities, etc. As for the sacrifice on the cross: "But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the
chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed."
Our transgressions (sins before we believed), and iniquities (sins AFTER coming to the knowledge
of the truth) are definitely covered. Also, you are quite correct in asserting that we have received
our peace with God. Isaiah presents promises to all areas of our lives: spiritual (transgressions &
iniquities), mental (chastised for our peace), and physical (illnesses, etc.).
You quoted Mk. 16:16. Yes, that is ONE-WAY to receive/impart healing: I cannot but totally
agree with you: not disregarding the "gifts", nor elders of the Church, etc.
Whosoever has repented, had their sins remitted in His NAME, and received God's gift (Holy Spirit),
then they have also received the authority given to the Church to "...lay hands on the sick, and
they SHALL be healed."
"...and whosoever shall direct his conversation aright, I will show the salvation of God."
Location: Phoenix, AZ.: Baptized in the NAME of the Lord Jesus in 1982.
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Re: You find a piece of paper....
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Originally Posted by Esaias
It always comes down to "God didn't give me what I wanted, so therefore God doesn't exist."
I cannot see how such people - who "lose their faith" because God didn't make them happy - ever had real faith to begin with.
But this is really the fault of modern evangelism, presenting Jesus as Santa Claus in disguise...
That's too close to the truth for too many people.
God has given us everything we NEED; however, the things we need are all wrapped
up in His promises...but too many folks want to be spoon fed, instead of
taking literal possession of what is already ours.
That's too close to the truth for too many people.
God has given us everything we NEED; however, the things we need are all wrapped
up in His promises...but too many folks want to be spoon fed, instead of
taking literal possession of what is already ours.
Promises such as?
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Hebrews 13:23 Know ye that our brother Timothy is set at liberty
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Re: You find a piece of paper....
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Originally Posted by Timmy
Promises such as?
To some, they are "...life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."
But to the Church: they are the promises made to the Israelites, but fulfilled for us: "For all the promises of God in him are YEA, and in him, Amen, unto the glory of God by us."
If you seek His will, you will also KNOW His promises.
To some, they are "...life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."
But to the Church: they are the promises made to the Israelites, but fulfilled for us: "For all the promises of God in him are YEA, and in him, Amen, unto the glory of God by us."
If you seek His will, you will also KNOW His promises.
Presumably, you have sought His will. So why not tell me what they are? At least some of them?
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First of all, because the reasons you have to leave are empty. They lack the faith that the bible said all along was necessary, as I've pointed out many times. Many have stood strong in faith with worse situations than you or I ever knew that would attack faith. And like atheists, not saying you are one, the strongest fighters of faith are simply those disillusioned after a genuine passion of faith. Every reason you ever gave lacks genuine reasons to leave, knowing proper truth of the bible.
Ending my depression was not an empty reason. Or maybe it was in, your opinion, but that matters exactly 0 to me. Depression was going to kill me.
Anyway, I was hoping for a better reason than "You shouldn't have left in the first place" or "You did it wrong, so you should try again." Can you actually give me some reason to believe the things you think I should believe?
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Oh, and "proper truth" is another example of your hilarity. As if you Apostolics can agree on even the simplest things.
Like agnostics and atheists can agree on "even the simplest things" lol.
Earlier you asked why? Because God is real, the Bible is true (regardless of what men agree on), and Jesus will be your Judge, or more specifically, His Word.
Now if you don't believe that, fine. Enjoy your life, what you have left of it anyway, before your Appointment with God comes due. Meanwhile, those of us who know the Lord will keep on keeping on
"The world behind me, the cross before me...no turning back, no turning back."
Or as Jesus said, "No man putting his hand to the plow, and looking back, is fit to be my disciple." EDIT: He said no man putting his hand to the plow, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God.
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