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08-26-2014, 09:31 PM
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Re: Social drinking?
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Originally Posted by good samaritan
People can make scriptures say that Jesus drank fermented wine, but you really don't know that and wouldn't you want be more reverent to your Lord and savior then inject that into the scripture. I wouldn't say things like that out of respect and I believe with all my heart that he didn't drink any intoxicating drink. How do people feel about beer and liquor? All that people are mainly discussing is wine. If wine why not beer? If beer is o.k. next would it be o.k. to go down to your local tavern and set down and have one with a buddy?
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People do not say that, it is the scriptures.
The scriptures clearly and without a doubt say that Jesus drank wine, there are plenty of scriptures that say that. Yes do I know that.
That it was unfermented wine is actually for you to prove. The ball is actually in your court that when Jesus was with sinners, they were drinking one type of wine while he was drinking a different one.
When Jesus was drinking wine with his disciples it is up to you to prove that it was unfermented wine.
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08-26-2014, 09:38 PM
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Re: Social drinking?
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Originally Posted by Sean
Notice Galatians 5 does not mention gluttony(it didnt make it to the big leagues), it must be a bigger sin to drink intoxicating drinks. You cannot get incoherent eating an in n out burger, just sick...LOL
19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication(one step leads to another here) , uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness(one drink leads to another here)], revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God
Little lust starts with a thought....Turns into a monster
Little drinking starts with just one, turns into a drunkard
Paul equates drinking with immorality in this passage, all of these works of the flesh here have a beginning point!
Is it okay to toy with the beginnings of all these other sins?
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Did Paul miss this thought when he only says to not drink in excess? Or when he says you have houses to drink in?
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08-26-2014, 09:39 PM
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Re: Social drinking?
What about Buttermilk?
That's fermented
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08-26-2014, 09:39 PM
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Re: Social drinking?
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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa
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I read from that link and it is probably right. If someone was drinking strictly for a medical purpose and was being private. I would be much more open minded, but in that case they probably wouldn't be on some forum teaching Christian liberty, bottoms up. I have said before though, I don't know for sure it is heaven or hell thing, but I just couldn't ever bring myself to do it or teach its o.k. It is definitely not expedient.
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08-26-2014, 09:46 PM
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Re: Social drinking?
Now I realize the core problem here on AFF, its not about doctrine, but Winners and Boozers...LOL
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08-26-2014, 09:47 PM
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Re: Social drinking?
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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa
What about Buttermilk?
That's fermented
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I would rather drink wine. 
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"God, send me anywhere, only go with me. Lay any burden on me, only sustain me. And sever any tie in my heart except the tie that binds my heart to Yours."
--David Livingstone
"To see no being, not God’s or any, but you also go thither,
To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
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08-26-2014, 10:03 PM
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Re: Social drinking?
Ironically, when I have an upset stomach, I take a tablespoon full of buttermilk for my "stomach's sake." 
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"God, send me anywhere, only go with me. Lay any burden on me, only sustain me. And sever any tie in my heart except the tie that binds my heart to Yours."
--David Livingstone
"To see no being, not God’s or any, but you also go thither,
To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
--Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass, Song of the Open Road
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08-26-2014, 10:19 PM
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Re: Social drinking?
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Originally Posted by FlamingZword
People do not say that, it is the scriptures.
The scriptures clearly and without a doubt say that Jesus drank wine, there are plenty of scriptures that say that. Yes do I know that.
That it was unfermented wine is actually for you to prove. The ball is actually in your court that when Jesus was with sinners, they were drinking one type of wine while he was drinking a different one.
When Jesus was drinking wine with his disciples it is up to you to prove that it was unfermented wine.
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which scriptures specifically say Jesus drank wine?
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08-26-2014, 10:33 PM
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Yeshua is God
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Re: Social drinking?
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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa
What about Buttermilk?
That's fermented
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can wine be made from bacon? 
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08-26-2014, 10:38 PM
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Re: Social drinking?
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Originally Posted by good samaritan
which scriptures specifically say Jesus drank wine?
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Matthew 11:19 The Son of man came eating and drinking
Luke 7:34 The Son of man has come eating and drinking
do these count?
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