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Old 12-27-2013, 08:46 PM
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I was outreach director. Grew a beard to play Jesus in our annual drama, (wore a fake one in all the years past), and that was approved as fine w "leadership". Afterwards, I didn't shave it off so I was asked to either shave it completely off, or step down from outreach director. After a few days of thinking, I at first thought I wouldn't do either one, then decided I would just step down from my position, and expressed my thought that we have rules that are a stumbling block to Gods Kingdom advancement by not allowing God to work Spiritually thru men because of leaders unbiblical preferences and rules, that obviously would not even accept Jesus in our churches ministries. I mean after all, it was originally grown to be like Jesus. (Not to mention many other men glued fake beards for the drama).
That's the point. As one newly come to the Apostolic Oneness movement I expected so much! After all the tracts and booklets written by Apostolics I figured their Churches would be so full of life and truth!

Oh what a let down it was. I was in love with this great truth that Jesus/Yeshua was the ultimate revelation of the one true God! And yet the more I searched out Apostolic Churches a painful reality set in.

Once you get past Oneness and Acts 2:38 there was really not much to get excited about. Certainly not as dynamic as the Jesus Movement had been. Not as much love as among the Charismatic movement.

Altho I was appointed an Elder not long afterwards in The Apostolic Gospel Church in Springfield Ohio I was ashamed to ask anyone to come. For all the preaching about Trinity being a man made doctrine to be refused they had their own false traditions that they could not even see.

Its ok somehow FOR US to make up tradition as we go along but not for someone else. To bring people to Churches that teach so obviously false and then have to justify it to seekers of truth was a hard thing to bear and still is.

We were used to in the Jesus Movement taking people off the street , hookers, gays, hippies and so forth preaching Christ to them. So marvelous!

Yet in our Apostolic Church a women came in to visit and on her second visit Pastor blasted her for wearing jewelry. Of course she did not come back. His brother in law visited one night with a beard. AFTER they ran him off then they said how they chased the devil out of the house.

Many of you have similar stories.

Bottom line. The truth of Jesus Only and Acts 2:38 holds me firm to identify myself as "Oneness Pentecostal". I have not returned to Trinitarian Churches since I left in 1980. I still love the Charismatics and Pentecostals who have the Holy Ghost. I love Jesus truth more.

And yes I love the Apostolic Movement probably more for what it started out as (in a historical sense) than what it is now. And I could never fit into Churches that don't baptize in Jesus name.

I sure hope my expose of that which is wrong among Apostolics would not turn anyone from the glorious truth that they (and only they) have found. Yet there is more truth waiting.

My prediction (not thus saith the Lord) is that the current Apostolic orgs and their influence will wane and out of the midst of them will one day be born a new move of God! Overcomers loving truth zealous for Yeshua and willing to forsake all to be his and know him deeply.
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Old 12-27-2013, 08:58 PM
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But...weren't you the one that introduced the OT?

Are you saying I am lost?
If you were paying attention from the beginning I was pointing out the hypocrisy in preaching women into Hell over Duet. 22:5 while at the same time forbidding beards which are highly favored in the OT.

They have yet to explain how this works. Tithing and dress laws are promoted from the OT while most of the rest is done away.

So now that you are up to speed have at it.
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Old 12-27-2013, 09:14 PM
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If you were paying attention from the beginning I was pointing out the hypocrisy in preaching women into Hell over Duet. 22:5 while at the same time forbidding beards which are highly favored in the OT.

They have yet to explain how this works. Tithing and dress laws are promoted from the OT while most of the rest is done away.

So now that you are up to speed have at it.
Did you just condemn me the way Jesus condemned the Jews?
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Old 12-27-2013, 09:18 PM
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Did you just condemn me the way Jesus condemned the Jews?
Nothing in what I said was condemning you. Do you want to explain how it works to pick and choose OT laws? That's all this is about.
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Old 12-27-2013, 09:28 PM
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Nothing in what I said was condemning you. Do you want to explain how it works to pick and choose OT laws? That's all this is about.
This from a guy who's only argument has been the erroneous use of an OT law to support his stance. Your supporting scriptures don't even mention an abomination and especially one that is an abomination to the LORD. Yet you pick one law and try to say we can never shave......I love ya Bro....but give me a brake
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Mike, I noticed several posters posted about goatees, would that be an acceptable beard in your opinion? What about just a mustache? Would that be ok?
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Old 12-27-2013, 09:31 PM
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They aren't preached against. Who preaches against facial hair?
Several licensed UPC ministers in my state.
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Old 12-27-2013, 09:41 PM
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This from a guy who's only argument has been the erroneous use of an OT law to support his stance. Your supporting scriptures don't even mention an abomination and especially one that is an abomination to the LORD. Yet you pick one law and try to say we can never shave......I love ya Bro....but give me a brake
My point has never been that you cant shave. My point is that we are NOT under the law of Moses. Yet you and others use the OT to pack off women to Hell as well as non tithers of course.

If you could use Duet 22:5 for doctrine you would have to accept Leviticus 21:5 which forbids shaving.

Isnt that what I have been saying?

And again I ask do you preach people into Hell for the ABOMINATION of eating catfish, shrimp, and oysters?
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Old 12-27-2013, 09:50 PM
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And let's be honest...if anyone gets picked apart by 'the saints', it's the platform folks. Nobody ever says, "Did you see what that lady in the second row, third from left was wearing last night?"

No. They pick apart the choir and the praise singers and SS teachers
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Yes, because they have been taught to believe that the measure of holiness is in how one looks (dress length, hair style, no jewelry, sleeve length, no facial hair). Platform standard implies 'holy enough to minister'.
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Old 12-27-2013, 09:54 PM
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Where I was from it is preached that facial hair is prideful, pride is a sin, so facial hair is a sin.

A few years passed before I questioned that. I asked James where the Bible states that. He said that I have been around long enough to know where to find it.

Well, okay then...
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