Rejoicing In the Sabbath:

[Titus2woman]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

so it's not a commandment then.

we can't break a command by saying it not unforgivable with no intent to obey the command.

Why would you intend to break it? In reality we all break commandments... some of us struggle with anger (murder) other covet incessently, you've met them- every weekend at the mall, members of Amazon Prime, chronic ebayers, etc. Some gossip (bear false witness) spreading all the newest rumors, sometimes even hidden as prayer requests (we need to pray for Sis. so and so... I hear she is struggling with marital infidelity). We are weak flesh... that is not a reason not to try. And as we try God honors our efforts. If you now work on Saturday but honor what you can of Sabbath God may make a way for you to do more

It breaks my heart that some will look at Gods wonderful gift of rest and only see another way they might be condemed.

[Truthseeker]

point being you can't say sabbath is a commandment then say it's not an unforgivable sin by be to continue to work on saturday as Auilla stated.

If it"s a true commandment for christians then repentance and obedience is the only answer.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

so it's not a commandment then.

we can't break a command by saying it not unforgivable with no intent to obey the command.

We can't get around it being in the Ten Commandments. So yes, it is a commandment. However, we know that we are NOT justified or saved by the Law. We are saved unto good works, not by good works. That being said...

The way I see it you have three choices:

-Claim it's not a commandment and disregard it entirely.
-Acknowledge that it is a commandment but throw your hands in the air and give up on even trying to observe it.
-Or choose to acknowledge it is a commandment and observe it as much as is possible.

You might find that if you TRY to observe the commandment as much as possible God will open up doors for greater obedience through new job opportunities that will allow you to observe the fulness of your Sabbath rest.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

if sabbath is a commandment then I'm lost cause I work weekends?

If you don't mind me asking, what do you do for a living?

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by Aquila

If you don't mind me asking, what do you do for a living?

neurosurgeon.

[Truthseeker]

just kidding, I'm a nurse.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

point being you can't say sabbath is a commandment then say it's not an unforgivable sin by be to continue to work on saturday as Auilla stated.

If it"s a true commandment for christians then repentance and obedience is the only answer.

Picture this world as Egypt. We are driving by task masters and the cirumstances of our society. However, God honors obedience if it's done in faith. Repent of not honoring the Sabbath and seek to obey in what little ways that you can. God will honor your faith and there is a good chance that God will open up doors you never dreamed of that will allow even greater levels of obedience. Does He not do this for all believers when we come to Christ in other areas???

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by Aquila

We can't get around it being in the Ten Commandments. So yes, it is a commandment. However, we know that we are NOT justified or saved by the Law. We are saved unto good works, not by good works. That being said...

The way I see it you have three choices:

-Claim it's not a commandment and disregard it entirely.
-Acknowledge that it is a commandment but throw your hands in the air and give up on even trying to observe it.
-Or choose to acknowledge it is a commandment and observe it as much as is possible.

You might find that if you TRY to observe the commandment as much as possible God will open up doors for greater obedience through new job opportunities that will allow you to observe the fulness of your Sabbath rest.

so we have commandments but if whe dont obey it doesn't matter because we are not saved by commandments??

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

neurosurgeon.

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

just kidding, I'm a nurse.

LOL

Ahhh...so you have something in your favor. First, notice the following:

Matthew 12:1-8
{12:1} At that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through
the corn; and his disciples were an hungred, and began to
pluck the ears of corn, and to eat. {12:2} But when the
Pharisees saw [it,] they said unto him, Behold, thy disciples
do that which is not lawful to do upon the sabbath day.
{12:3} But he said unto them, Have ye not read what David
did, when he was an hungred, and they that were with him;
{12:4} How he entered into the house of God, and did eat
the shewbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither
for them which were with him, but only for the priests?
{12:5} Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the
sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath,
and are blameless? {12:6} But I say unto you, That in this
place is [one] greater than the temple. {12:7} But if ye had
known what [this] meaneth, I will have mercy, and not
sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.
{12:8} For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.

Notice that Jesus acknowledged the need to glean (work) for food on the Sabbath. Jesus points out that David broke the Law of Moses by eating the shewbread with those who were with him. Jesus also pointed out that the priests work and attend to the affairs of the temple on the Sabbath and therefore profane it and are deemed blameless. Jesus will not condemn one who must provide on the Sabbath. However, you will note… they did maximize their Sabbath by not completely disregarding it. Sometimes work is necessary on the Sabbath. The exceptions make the rule.

You are a nurse. The Bible does speak of healing on the Sabbath. Note this situation:

Matthew 12:10-13
{12:10} And, behold, there was a man which had [his]
hand withered. And they asked him, saying, Is it lawful to
heal on the sabbath days? that they might accuse him.
{12:11} And he said unto them, What man shall there be
among you, that shall have one sheep, and if it fall into a pit
on the sabbath day, will he not lay hold on it, and lift [it]
out? {12:12} How much then is a man better than a sheep?
Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days.
{12:13} Then saith he to the man, Stretch forth thine hand.
And he stretched [it] forth; and it was restored whole, like
as the other.

You are in a profession that is based on healing and doing good towards the suffering on the Sabbath. Is a man more valuable than a sheep? Of course! Someone has to be working as a nurse on the Sabbath to care for those in desperate need of help or assistance. In a sense…this is your ministry before the Lord.

I do not see wherein you have broken the Sabbath should you work as a nurse on the Sabbath day. Simply honor God by maximizing the time you do have on the Sabbath and you will be doing well. Again, the exceptions make the rule.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

so we have commandments but if whe dont obey it doesn't matter because we are not saved by commandments??

No. We are saved by responding in faith to Christ and the call of the Gospel. Once one is saved one begins a process known as sanctification. That means that they seek to be more Christlike. Christ perfectly obeyed the Law of God in all things (including thought, word, and deed), though on several occasions Jesus challenged the Law of Moses, which infuriated the Pharisees. Jesus summed the Law of God up in two principles:

Matthew 22:37-40
{22:37} Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy
God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy
mind. {22:38} This is the first and great commandment.
{22:39} And the second [is] like unto it, Thou shalt love thy
neighbour as thyself. {22:40} On these two commandments
hang all the law and the prophets.

How do you love God with all your heart, soul, and mind? By honoring the following:

I
Thou shalt have no other gods before Me
II
Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image
III
Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord
thy God in vain, for the Lord will not
hold him guiltless that taketh His name in vain
IV
Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy
V
Honor thy father and thy mother,
that thy days may be long upon the land
which the Lord thy God giveth thee

How do you love your neighbor as yourself? By honoring the following:

VI
Thou shalt not murder
VII
Thou shalt not commit adultery
VIII
Thou shalt not steal
IX
Thou shalt not bear false witness
against thy neighbor
X
Thou shalt not covet

So, while we are only saved by responding in faith to the Gospel... we are sanctified through obedience. Obedience causes us to seek to love God with all of our being and our neighbors as ourselves. If we don't obey, we are not being sanctified to the fullest. Love and faith will seek to please God and be perfect before the Law of God as Jesus was.

Notice Christ's own words:

Matthew 5:17-19
{5:17} Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the
prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. {5:18} For
verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or
one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be
fulfilled. {5:19} Whosoever therefore shall break one of
these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall
be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever
shall do and teach [them,] the same shall be called great in
the kingdom of heaven.

Jesus doesn't condemn one to Hell over breaking one of God's Laws. Jesus does speak of him being least in eternity however. A loss of eternal calling and reward.