This Place Is The Only Source Of...

[onefaith2]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I'm not going to say either way on this one, because I sincerely don't want to offend the Lord. However, the points about "tongues" as they are practiced in many churches today should cause us a pause for serious consideration.

In Pentecostalism we see cults of personality and controlling pastors.
Accentric legalism and bondage.
Even the uncut hair bit is something found among witches (some have even used occult sources to validate a supposed mystical "power" in uncut hair).

Since we see such patterns in Voodoo and other pagan religions... we do well to consider, are our tongues pagan? Or are they real and practiced biblically?

Those are fair questions. Be a Berean. Search the Scriptures. Don't go by "feeling" (sensual religion)... have faith in solid truth.

Satan has a counterfeit for everything regarding signs. This is what the Bible teaches.

However the signs are very real and every Spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God. The Holy Ghost experience set afire a blazing love for Jesus in me that wasn't there before. Trust me, what I got was not from the Devil.

[onefaith2]

Originally Posted by Orthodoxy

John 17:5

5 And now, Father, glorify me in your own presence with the glory that I had with you before the world existed.

in the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the WOrd was God.

The preexistence of Jesus is not called the SOn, He is called the Word.

Luke 1:35 is where Jesus begins to be called the Son

[onefaith2]

Originally Posted by Aquila

We might not like it... but it says what it says.

I'd add...

Psalm 2:12
Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.

Psalm 110:1
1The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

Hebrews 1:7-12 (King James Version)
7And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.
8But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
9Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
10And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:
11They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment;
12And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail.

Again the Bible calls Jesus the Word until HE is born. The scriptures in Psalms is fulfilled when Jesus arose..


Thats what the Bible teaches. Psalms 2 is also a prophecy

look

http://www.icr.org/article/2533/

there was no way for anyone to kiss a son not yet revealed

nice context ripper lol

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Aquila

If an entire movement would embrace a pagan notion such as "magic hair", are they beyond embracing a form of spirit possession as seen in Voodoo that has "tongues" and ecstatic experiences? I've been in services where the women took their hair down while speaking in unintelligiable tongues and moved ecstatically with hair flailing to fight spirits, hanging their hair over children, and the sick in order to minister "healing". Is this "Christian" or even "biblical"?

An entire movement has not embraced "magic hair" and that still does not prove your assertion about tongues.

I have. See my statement above.

Subjective

Yes. However, we also know that Satan has repeatedly sought to infiltrate the church. How do we know that what we see as "outpourings" aren't actually "invasions"? Also, these were Trinitarians. Why would the Holy Ghost fall on those in false doctrine?

Show me where false doctrine of any kind prevents someone from being blessed by God. In the bible, in Acts, nobody ever received a 12 week bible study to correct all false doctrines before they were filled with the Spirit

According to us... they don't even worship the true God.

Speaking for Who? You claim to be a Trinitarian. Please don't pretend now to be Oneness and condemn Trinitarians and say "according to us". That's gotta be the craziest thing I've ever heard. What are you? A waffle? One week you are Oneness, the next Trinitarian, then Oneness, back to Trinitarian and now you are claiming to be Oneness and condemning all Trinitarians?

I know many Apostolics who teach that the Trinitarian experiences should be regarded as demonic. Certainly you've heard this, right?

No

Paul wrote,

1 Timothy 4:1
Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

In the last days we'd expect to see a rise in seducing spiritism and doctrines of devils within the church.

It's something that I think should cause every Pentecostal to search themselves, to be assured that what they are practicing isn't of the enemy. Does the gift bring religious pride and "self" edification? Or is it indeed a gift that builds up the body? Is the gift used according to I Corinthians 14? Questions like these.

That's nice. My earlier questions about association remains.

[UnTraditional]

Cessationism is a tool of the enemy to destroy the faith of the people of God.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by onefaith2

Satan has a counterfeit for everything regarding signs. This is what the Bible teaches.

However the signs are very real and every Spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God. The Holy Ghost experience set afire a blazing love for Jesus in me that wasn't there before. Trust me, what I got was not from the Devil.

Same here. After I got the Holy Ghost the Scriptures just came "alive". It was beautiful.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by onefaith2

in the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the WOrd was God.

The preexistence of Jesus is not called the SOn, He is called the Word.

Luke 1:35 is where Jesus begins to be called the Son

Since Jesus is the same yesterday, today, and forever more... what Jesus was, He is. Jesus had always been the Son of God. It was just manifest to US that He was the Son of God in His incarnation.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by onefaith2

Again the Bible calls Jesus the Word until HE is born. The scriptures in Psalms is fulfilled when Jesus arose..


Thats what the Bible teaches. Psalms 2 is also a prophecy

look

http://www.icr.org/article/2533/

there was no way for anyone to kiss a son not yet revealed

nice context ripper lol

Prophetically Christ is acknowledged as the Son. Since Christ is divine in nature, Christ never changes. He wasn't the Word and then "became" the Son. What defines Christ as "Son" isn't His fleshly incarnation, it's the fact that He is the eternal express image of the Father's own person. The term Logos was a literary divice used by John to define Christ as the very image of God to Hellenist Jews and Greeks (John's audience).

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by UnTraditional

Cessationism is a tool of the enemy to destroy the faith of the people of God.

Can be.

My question wasn't so much based on the notion that gifts have ceased (I definately don't believe that). My question is... how do we know we have the "biblical" manifestation of tongues? Also, how do we know we practice the gift biblically?

For example... you have Trinitarian Pentecostals and Oneness Pentecostals. Do both have the real Holy Ghost? Or has one received a false Holy Ghost? We see false "tongues" manifest among Voodoo believers. Clearly we can't take for granted that "tongues" are always the "real deal".

[Jermyn Davidson]

In a nostalgic moment yesterday afternoon, I sang the lyrics to a song that meant so much to me that is appropriate to the turn our conversation has taken.

"The Mighty God is Jesus,
the Prince of Peace is He.
The Everlasting Father,
The King Eternally.
The Wonderful in wisdom,
By whom all thnigs were made.
The fullness of the Godhead
in Jesus is displayed."

"I't's all in Him.
It's all in Him.
The fulness of the Godhead,
is all in Him.
It's all in Him.
It's all in Him.
The Mighty God is Jesus and it's all in Him."


My favorite verse...

"The Alpha and Omega,
Beginning and the End.
The Living Word Incarnate,
the helpless sinner's friend.
Our wisdom and perfection,
Our righteousness and power.
Yes all we need in Jesus,
we find this very hour."



I used to sing this song with such gusto, such a surety. I had not thought of the song in years and it came back to me yesterday.

Wow.