So OT sins were only forgiven because of what Christ would do in the future???? Can I add a few more question marks????????? So it was said in the Old Testament they were forgiven, but they weren't actually yet, but people thought they were?? This just gets confusinger and confusinger. Maybe this is where we need time-travel.
Timmy, I think a proper theologian (like myself) would see a difference between sins being "forgiven" and sins being "taken away".
Are you trying to say there was no need for the cross for the OT saints?
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"Many Christians do not try to understand what was written in a verse in the Bible. Instead they approach the passage to prove what they already believe."
I already explained when. When you ask! Then see what Acts says about getting it, and compare.
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"Many Christians do not try to understand what was written in a verse in the Bible. Instead they approach the passage to prove what they already believe."
Well, I doubt it. Your demands of evidence are WAY different than mine. The main difference is, my theology can be backed up by scripture
What scripture? The Book of Latter day saints?
I can show you tongues comes with the HG. Can you show me where someone gets the HG when they believe without any evidence to show they did, in the scripture?
In case you go to Acts 9, the scripture doesn't describe Paul getting the Holy Ghost, just his eyes opened
Besides if you read some of the threads I engage in regarding salvation, you might not feel we are so different after all.
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I'm just asking you....when the people of the Old Testament were told their sins were forgiven, what did that mean to them?
I explained this using Hebrews.
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"Many Christians do not try to understand what was written in a verse in the Bible. Instead they approach the passage to prove what they already believe."
I asked. Nothing's happened yet. How am I gonna know?
If you ask and claim nothing happened - nothing at all... well, take it up with God. I thought you guys believed something does happen, whether it is what we claim happens or not.
Luk 11:13 KJV If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?
Jas 4:3 KJV Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts.
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"Many Christians do not try to understand what was written in a verse in the Bible. Instead they approach the passage to prove what they already believe."
And if you ask, and you don't get it, it's not a broken promise. Just like sins forgiven but not forgiven isn't a contradiction.
Some people ask amiss. God knows the heart. It's between the person and God. He knows the thoughts and intents of the heart and if there is faith when we ask. Everyone must deal with Him, themselves. I will not judge. If you feel confident in your relationship with God and how you asked, then I leave you with Him.
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"Many Christians do not try to understand what was written in a verse in the Bible. Instead they approach the passage to prove what they already believe."
I thought you guys believed something does happen, whether it is what we claim happens or not.
God knows the heart. It's between the person and God. He knows the thoughts and intents of the heart and if there is faith when we ask. Everyone must deal with Him, themselves. I will not judge. If you feel confident in your relationship with God and how you asked, then I leave you with Him.
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