Has evolutionism become a leading religion?

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"All thought and emotion," Huxley wrote, even the highest, spring from natural mind, whose slow development can be traced in life's evolution, so that life in general and man in particular are those parts of the world substance in which the latent mental properties are revealed to their fullest extent." As always, evolution was doing everything expected of religion, and more.

http://www.omniology.com/HowEvolutio...eReligion.html

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‘Evolution is promoted by its practitioners as more than mere science. Evolution is promulgated as an ideology, a secular religion—a full-fledged alternative to Christianity, with meaning and morality. I am an ardent evolutionist and an ex-Christian, but I must admit that in this one complaint—and Mr [sic] Gish is but one of many to make it—the literalists are absolutely right. Evolution is a religion. This was true of evolution in the beginning, and it is true of evolution still today.

‘… Evolution therefore came into being as a kind of secular ideology, an explicit substitute for Christianity.’

http://creation.com/michael-ruse-evo...-is-a-religion

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Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

I never heard of the guy until today. Now that you tell this, I think you've mentioned him before. Wow.

However, that doesn't necessarily negate his points, as coadie pointed out. The legitimacy of an argument doesn't rest on the morality of its proponets. Yet the Hovind fraud is a terrible slight for ALL christians, whether creationists or "theistic evolutionists".

I listed to 10 minutes. I had never read or listened to his stuff before.

The tax cheat doesn't somehow prove our ancestors were knuckle draiggers.

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It is absolutely safe to say that, if you meet somebody who claims not to believe in evolution, that person is ignorant, stupid, or insane (or wicked, but I'd rather not consider that)." Richard Dawkins.

Pelthais calls me all of those also.

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by coadie

I listed to 10 minutes. I had never read or listened to his stuff before.

The tax cheat doesn't somehow prove our ancestors were knuckle draiggers.

Actually, and sadly, the "tax cheat" was the one representing the christian view.

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Christianity has fought, still fights, and will fight science to the desperate end over evolution, because evolution destroys utterly and finally the very reason Jesus' earthly life was supposedly made necessary. Destroy Adam and Eve and the original sin, and in the rubble you will find the sorry remains of the son of god. If Jesus was not the redeemer who died for our sins, and this is what evolution means, then Christianity is nothing... What all this means is that Christianity cannot lose the Genesis account of creation like it could lose the doctrine of geocentricism and get along. The battle must be waged, for Christianity is fighting for its very life.

G. Richard Bozarth
"The Meaning of Evolution,"
American Atheist, Feb. 1978, p30

These evolutionists are taking their religious posturing.

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Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

Actually, and sadly, the "tax cheat" was the one representing the christian view.

He is in jail. Remember this supports evolution and survival of the fittest.

The biggest monkey steals the banana from the weaker one.
The peddling of evolution means naturalism has no "moral" values or foundations. They teach the strong kill the weak. The laws are the laws of the jungle. Pelthais et al say we are apes.

I do not have issues with jail. Darwinists like Pelthais deny chapters in Genesis and they detail original sin.

(Rom. 5:12-23). The Bible states that ". . . through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned," (Rom. 5:12).

A worshipoper of naturalism has no foundation on which to call Hovind out for "sin" Atheists like Freud say there is no sin. Just undesired behavior. He can't tell how to define it very well.

The Darwinists theories say any animal can take anything from any other animal.

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Other Possible Causes of Darwin's Condition
Others, including Darwin's own wife, argued that his mental problem stemmed from guilt over his life's goal to refute the argument for God from design (Bean, 1978,
p. 574; p. 28; Pasnau, 1990, p. 126). Most of the psychoanalytic studies have argued that his problems were a result of his repressed anger toward his tyrannical father and "the slaying of his heavenly father" by his theory (Pasnau, 1990, p. 122).

You ask about my book, & all that I can say is that I am ready to commit suicide: I thought it was decently written, but find so much wants rewriting. . . . I begin to think that every one who publishes a book is a fool (quoted in Colp, 1977, p. 228).
Colp noted that Darwin's son Leonard claimed that his father's illness even interfered with his feelings for his children. For example, Leonard once noted that

As a young lad I went up to my father when strolling about the lawn, and he . . . turned away as if quite incapable of carrying on any conversation. Then there suddenly shot through my mind the conviction that he wished he was no longer alive (quoted in Colp, 1977, p. 100).



Other Psychiatric and Medical Problems
Colp (1977, p. 97) concluded that "much of Darwin's daily life was lived on a rack which consisted of fluctuating degrees of pain" that was sometimes so severe that Darwin called it "distressingly great." Darwin's many psychological or psychologically influenced physical health symptoms included severe depression, insomnia, hysterical crying, dying sensations, shaking, fainting spells, muscle twitches, shortness of breath, trembling, nausea, vomiting, severe anxiety, depersonalization, seeing spots, treading on air and vision, and other visual hallucinations (Barloon and Noyes, 1997, p. 139; Picover, 1998, p. 290; Colp, 1977, p. 97; Bean, 1978, p. 573). The physical symptoms included headaches, cardiac palpitations, ringing in ears (possibly tinnitus), painful flatulence, and gastric upsets—all of which commonly have a psychological origin (Pasnau, 1990). Colp noted that "behind these symptoms there was always a core of anxiety and depression" (1977, p. 97). Some speculate that part of Darwin's mental problems were due to his nagging, gnawing fear that he had devoted his "life to a fantasy"—and a "dangerous one" at that (Desmond and Moore, 1991, p. 477). This fear was that his theory was false and there was, in fact, a divine Creator.

Charles Darwin was demon possessed.

So shall we toss all his notions because he lived in a state today we call psychotic?

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Originally Posted by pelathais

"The guy" is Michael Behe who YOU quoted on the subject of clotting.

Get a grip, dude. I just tracked down your "quote mining" attempt and linked to the entire interview.

Behe - YOUR source that YOU quoted - is a well known EVOLUTIONIST. He is often cited by folks in the Intelligent Design movement because Behe is also a believer. But Behe VERY MUCH accepts and teaches the principle of COMMON DESCENT, one of the cornerstones of Darwin's theory of Natural Selection.



If Behe is such a bad source, why did you quote him on blood clotting? (http://apostolicfriendsforum.com/sho...919#post972919). You actually ct-and-pasted a statement by Behe that was easily Googled and tracked down to the interview that I linked to.

Or were you hoping to convince everyone that Behe's words were actually your own? That's plagiarism.



You quoted Behe as authoritative and now you claim that this "link fails" after learning about Behe's real scientific outlook.

Lame-o.

(That's a "home made word").

Spank you very much!

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Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

Actually, and sadly, the "tax cheat" was the one representing the christian view.

We have all heard that people don't want Christianity because they know hypocrIts in our churches.

These same people won't burn their money because there are some counterffeits floating out there.

The devil wants Hovind to sin. The devil wants the counterfeit creation story out there preferibly evangelized by people that visit our churches.