Isaiah 3 and jewelry...

[Godsdrummer]

Originally Posted by rdp

"Pastors" w/ earrings, "lady pastors," spiked hair, nose rings,......this is not even worthy of rebuttal it's soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo far from Biblical holiness principles.

I'm finished w/ this......going on to honest folks................

I've seen that before

[DerechHashem]

It's remarkable how people try to justify there need for jewelry. Looking for legal loopholes to hoop earings. It would be simple just to keep it simple. Simple?

Your hearts know the truth.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by DerechHashem

It's remarkable how people try to justify there need for jewelry. Looking for legal loopholes to hoop earings. It would be simple just to keep it simple. Simple?

Your hearts know the truth.

It's remarkable how they are condemned. Before their own master they stand or fall. Sounds simple to me?

[noeticknight]

Originally Posted by DerechHashem

It's remarkable how people try to justify there need for jewelry. Looking for legal loopholes to hoop earings. It would be simple just to keep it simple. Simple?

Your hearts know the truth.

It is amazing how people will go to great lengths to attack principle-minded thinking. It tends to lead the mind and heart into uncharted waters where grown-up, mature Christians live, and that is unsettling for some.
Some really great points have already been brought up, but I will ask those that adhere to doctrines condemning jewelry the following questions, if they care to answer:

1. Is jewelry inherently evil? If so, how?

2. Does the Bible teach us spiritual principles, or have we lost the rest of the list of “do’s” and “don’ts”?

3. Is it our duty, or an organization’s duty, to determine the intent of the heart regarding a Christian’s dress preference or their personal style of apparel?

[Godsdrummer]

Originally Posted by DerechHashem

It's remarkable how people try to justify there need for jewelry. Looking for legal loopholes to hoop earings. It would be simple just to keep it simple. Simple?

Your hearts know the truth.

To say people are justifing their need for jewlery is unjust. Actualy the opposite is true those that take scripture out of context to preach against something they themselves have a problem with and then judge those that don't see eye to eye with them is more the case.

Romans 14 is a case in point that every one that calles himself or herself a Christian should do a deep study on. Although Paul uses food as the primary example of conflicts between weak and strong Christians, the princliple applies to many other areas in the live of Christians. That fact is one has more scripture to preach against certain foods than then they do jewlery, pants on women, make up, etc. yet we don't hear preachers preaching against over indulgance of food as a standard of holiness. Not when most Pentecostal preachers can't belt their gut because they don't push away from the table soon enough.

The point is we do not twist scripture to justify anything. We properly understand what the word is saying and put our hearts into being Christian to the world and spreading the grace of God, instead of the judgements of man.

And yes my heart knows the truth and God is my judge not man.

God Bless and may the blessings of God be poured upon your life.

[Godsdrummer]

Originally Posted by noeticknight

It is amazing how people will go to great lengths to attack principle-minded thinking. It tends to lead the mind and heart into uncharted waters where grown-up, mature Christians live, and that is unsettling for some.
Some really great points have already been brought up, but I will ask those that adhere to doctrines condemning jewelry the following questions, if they care to answer:

1. Is jewelry inherently evil? If so, how?

2. Does the Bible teach us spiritual principles, or have we lost the rest of the list of “do’s” and “don’ts”?

3. Is it our duty, or an organization’s duty, to determine the intent of the heart regarding a Christian’s dress preference or their personal style of apparel?

Is jewery evil? A big resounding no !!!

Yes the bible teaches spiritual principles. It is funny that one cannot find the so called list of holiness standards anywhere in the word of God. But we find the list of negative atitudes several time in the word of God.

First God did not set up organization as we see it today. "Seek out your own salvation with fear and trembling". And no it is not the duty of anyone to determine the intent of the heart based on a Christians dress. God is the judge not man. Jesus is the head of the church not the pastor etc.

[noeticknight]

Godsdrummer, I'm a lil' late on the draw. Looks like you and the posse dun' clean't house.

[HeavenlyOne]

Originally Posted by Timmy

It seems that we should consider everything we don't like to be figurative, and save the literalism for things we agree with.

Yeah, like how 'adorning' suddenly is referring to putting on something costly...LOL! Yet the dictionary disagrees....both the MW and the Greek Lexicon!!

According to dictionary.com

1. to decorate or add beauty to, as by ornaments: garlands of flowers adorning their hair.
2. to make more pleasing, attractive, impressive, etc.; enhance: Piety adorned Abigail's character.

According to crosswalk.com

1. an apt and harmonious arrangement or constitution, order, government
2. ornament, decoration, adornment, i.e. the arrangement of the stars, 'the heavenly hosts', as the ornament of the heavens. 1 Pet. 3:
3. the world, the universe
4. the circle of the earth, the earth
5. the inhabitants of the earth, men, the human family
6. the ungodly multitude; the whole mass of men alienated from God, and therefore hostile to the cause of Christ
7. world affairs, the aggregate of things earthly
1. the whole circle of earthly goods, endowments riches, advantages, pleasures, etc, which although hollow and frail and fleeting, stir desire, seduce from God and are obstacles to the cause of Christ
8. any aggregate or general collection of particulars of any sort
1. the Gentiles as contrasted to the Jews (Rom. 11:12 etc)
2. of believers only, John 1:29; 3:16; 3:17; 6:33; 12:47 1 Cor. 4:9; 2 Cor. 5:19

Yet we are told that it's ok to adorn ourselves in apparel, so 'adorn' can't possibly mean 'costly', as it was implied above.

1Ti 2:9
In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;

1Pe 3:3
Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel;

[HeavenlyOne]

Seems to me that if God was using jewelry figuratively in reference to His goodness and mercy, surely He would have used a symbol that would be more holy, right? Couldn't He have instead spoke about how He adorned His people with (women) long hair, dresses, and (men) long sleeved white shirts and suits with hair above the collar? Why would He use sinful jewelry to convey His love???

[HeavenlyOne]

Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace*

Funny, you seem to explain away the simple statement.... "nor the wearing of apparel."

But that doesn't literally mean 'don't wear apparel' like the statement 'don't wear jewelry' means 'don't wear jewelry'. LOL!