There's nothing like judging others to make you feel holy I guess.
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If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
Yes... this point has been made and NFS is not interested in buying it.
He clearly has a personal disgust for fat people and loves to rail on their sorry low down sinnin' no good for nothing lazy behinds.
This is a personal issue on his part that will only stop until others cease to discuss it with him or when we all come into this thread and proclaim...
Indeed... all fat people are disgusting pigs who ruin their own lives, bodies and witness by the disgust of people having to look on them and they should hide in caves until they wither away to an acceptable size for the kingdom.
If you ask me... if I had somebody that needed witnessing to... I would send an overweight person with a kind spirit over the skinniest rail that possesses and exudes condemnation and ridicule.
I find these types of spirits to be the worst witness of all and there is simply no diet that can fix it.
I have many good friends who are overweight, whom I love and care for. They are wonderful people and I enjoy being and visiting with them.
That being said, obesity is still a problem.
And, you are judging me. You're spirit comes clearly through that you are offended by the facts. This doesn't change anything. Our hurt feelings are a poor guide to a solution.
How do you suggest we handle this problem? Is it OK for a 4 year old to be 50lbs overweight? Are 400lb preachers a bad witness? Is not caring about this, or just ignoring the problem, a godly approach to this National Health crisis?
Should the Church lead the way to good health, moderation, and the joy of treating our bodies with respect?
Change never comes easy. People always try to find the path of least resistance. The pain of correction leads to life and transformation.
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If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
You definitely "shot from the hip" on this one. My wife recently went to a laidies banquet/fellowship engagement. The number of big women (my wife said "huge") was appalling. The sad thing was, pastors wives were the worst.
They lined up at the tablespread, gorging themselves with one plate after another. They'd giggle and eat, laughing away the truth of a condition that is killing the church and telling the world we don't care.
Ok, are you seriously saying that your wife had nothing better to do than to watch these women do what you say above? Didn't she have anyone to talk to? I mean, I've been to lots of ladies meetings and such like, but I can honestly say that I've never sat around to watch people eat and how much they were eating, and I'm a people watcher!
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I've been in the Apostolic movement for 30 years. I've watched my many friends grow fat, and the numbers are staggering. We are big, and we stumble greatly with this issue, I think because we give up other vices in repentance, and then turn to gluttony with a snicker.
I've watched the same thing happen at the family reunions I've attended for the past 30 years. They started out on the skinnier side, but as they got older, they got fatter. NONE of them are Apostolic.
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My personal opinion is, the example of the ministry is lacking, choosing to indulge by convincing the saints with a "Joke".
This is no joke. We are sick, we are fat, and ultimately we are hypocrites. Our statement is clear. Our actions speak louder than words. No wonder our young people roll thier eyes at the convicting message that bellows from a man who weighs 400 pounds. It's no wonder they are leaving the Church!
Despising hypocrisy is why I left the church of my youth!
NFS
"Excuses are the dark reason of Failure"
Surely you aren't serious that young people are leaving church because of a fat preacher!! If that's true, it's a new one for me. I've heard all kinds of excuses, but having a fat pastor was NEVER one of them. LOL!
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I've gone and done it now! I'm on Facebook!!!
Yes... this point has been made and NFS is not interested in buying it.
He clearly has a personal disgust for fat people and loves to rail on their sorry low down sinnin' no good for nothing lazy behinds.
This is a personal issue on his part that will only stop until others cease to discuss it with him or when we all come into this thread and proclaim...
Indeed... all fat people are disgusting pigs who ruin their own lives, bodies and witness by the disgust of people having to look on them and they should hide in caves until they wither away to an acceptable size for the kingdom.
If you ask me... if I had somebody that needed witnessing to... I would send an overweight person with a kind spirit over the skinniest rail that possesses and exudes condemnation and ridicule.
I find these types of spirits to be the worst witness of all and there is simply no diet that can fix it.
You forgot to mention that the youth are leaving the church because of the fat pastor!
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I've gone and done it now! I'm on Facebook!!!
I have many good friends who are overweight, whom I love and care for. They are wonderful people and I enjoy being and visiting with them.
That being said, obesity is still a problem.
And, you are judging me. You're spirit comes clearly through that you are offended by the facts. This doesn't change anything. Our hurt feelings are a poor guide to a solution.
How do you suggest we handle this problem? Is it OK for a 4 year old to be 50lbs overweight? Are 400lb preachers a bad witness? Is not caring about this, or just ignoring the problem, a godly approach to this National Health crisis?
Should the Church lead the way to good health, moderation, and the joy of treating our bodies with respect?
Change never comes easy. People always try to find the path of least resistance. The pain of correction leads to life and transformation.
God Bless, NFS
My daughter is extremely overweight. Her problem began soon after she turned three, after being in the 10th percentile. She started gaining weight and I was glad. She was almost 3 and weighed 26 pounds.
By the time she was 5, she weighed 69 pounds. I kept track of her eating habits and took her to a dietician who said she wasn't even getting what she was allowed for daily caloric intake, which at the time was 1800 a day. She was averaging 1300 a day and very active, as she was also in daycare and went to dance classes and swimming.
Today, she's 15 and extremely overweight. She doesn't overeat, is active as much as her body allows, but the doctors have no idea why she continues gaining weight. She is having more bloodwork done next week, which has been a routine most of her life. Nothing is ever wrong with it.
But go ahead and judge her. Let her know that her witness to her friends is flawed by her appearance. Tell her what a turn-off she is to you. Suggest to her how she should follow your ideas about a godly approach to this National Health crisis.
What you don't know is that people aren't as judgmental to her as you are. She has lots of friends, is involved with church and her school community, is popular, and loves God very much. People aren't leaving the church because of her appearance, even when she's speaking in the front of the church.
Love is a wonderful thing.
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I've gone and done it now! I'm on Facebook!!!
I've sat on Apostolic pews all of my born days, and I've never, ever heard of any teen leaving the church because the preacher was too fat! As long as that preacher loved them, they didn't care about the measurement of his waistline. If it had bothered them that much, they could have just changed churches. Lordy.
I'm much more concerned about preachers that I've seen with bad attitudes, than bad diets.
While I do believe that diet is important, it's between you and God. None of my business.
Great post! Facts are facts. We need to stop dodging this issue. Bad health, a bad witness (example), and obvious lack of self control permeates from this problem. It won't go away unless we change our ways and be honest with ourselves. Christians should live healthy, balanced lives, in body and soul. Practicing this will eliminate depression, physical ailments that are deadly, and will unleash a well of energy to perform great exploits.
NFS
But pointing out people's problems aren't exaclty the way to motivate people to do good. Fat people know they are fat. They probably hate it worse than anyone else.
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