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02-13-2007, 04:53 PM
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Personality as well as calling and anointing work together. You can't/shouldn't discount one or the other. Not everyone fits into the expected personility type or calling that others expect for them. God uses the uneducated and blesses them with skills for the tasks he calls them to. He also uses the educated and those well-equipped to do the job he has called them to do.
To say that God doesn't use the educated and the talented as opposed to the uneducated and untalented is short-changing God in both areas.
It kind of gets old to hear how God doesn't use the rich, the educated, and the multi-talented because they are unwilling and full of themselves. I know plenty of uneducated and unwilling who are also full of themselves.
The old paradigm of alienating the educated, more than average wealth, and the mulit-talented to use the poor, the feeble, and the ignorant is just a Pentecostal way of saying...don't strive for excellence or education because God only uses ignorant, and uneducated folks int he kingdom. That paradigm in itself is faulty to the max and is why we have an over abundance of small insignificant churches who have 20-30 relatives in it.
Just my thoughts on the subject.
Blessings, Rhoni
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02-13-2007, 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Rhoni
Personality as well as calling and anointing work together. You can't/shouldn't discount one or the other. Not everyone fits into the expected personility type or calling that others expect for them. God uses the uneducated and blesses them with skills for the tasks he calls them to. He also uses the educated and those well-equipped to do the job he has called them to do.
To say that God doesn't use the educated and the talented as opposed to the uneducated and untalented is short-changing God in both areas.
It kind of gets old to hear how God doesn't use the rich, the educated, and the multi-talented because they are unwilling and full of themselves. I know plenty of uneducated and unwilling who are also full of themselves.
The old paradigm of alienating the educated, more than average wealth, and the mulit-talented to use the poor, the feeble, and the ignorant is just a Pentecostal way of saying...don't strive for excellence or education because God only uses ignorant, and uneducated folks int he kingdom. That paradigm in itself is faulty to the max and is why we have an over abundance of small insignificant churches who have 20-30 relatives in it.
Just my thoughts on the subject.
Blessings, Rhoni
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Good thoughts and good expression of them too!
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02-13-2007, 04:59 PM
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Good thoughts and good expression of them too! 
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Is that a nice way of saying... Rhoni you have a big mouth?
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02-14-2007, 10:37 AM
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Of course everyone's personaility and giftedness comes from God, but it is expanded upon by situation, opportunity, and education. 
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Do you really think everyone's personality comes from God? I'm not sure I'm prepared to put the blame on God for that one.
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02-14-2007, 10:50 AM
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Do you really think everyone's personality comes from God? I'm not sure I'm prepared to put the blame on God for that one.
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Are you Chancellor?????
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02-14-2007, 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Rhoni
Personality as well as calling and anointing work together. You can't/shouldn't discount one or the other. Not everyone fits into the expected personility type or calling that others expect for them. God uses the uneducated and blesses them with skills for the tasks he calls them to. He also uses the educated and those well-equipped to do the job he has called them to do.
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There you go thinking like the world. It doesn't matter what others expect, it only matters what God does. One may not have the kind of "personality" others might expect a person with a particular calling to have but it is God that has called this person to that particular work or gift (something you seemed to be trying to say but that got lost in your worldly thinking that personality and calling/anointing work together). Also, education or lack thereof has nothing to do with personality - one can have a "porcupine" or "sandpaper" (or some other) personality regardless of whether he has multiple college degrees or whether he never got past the first grade (as one who has one of those personalities in the quotes, I post from experience).
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To say that God doesn't use the educated and the talented as opposed to the uneducated and untalented is short-changing God in both areas.
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I think God uses the educated despite their education and that talent (innate ability) itself comes from God.
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It kind of gets old to hear how God doesn't use the rich, the educated, and the multi-talented because they are unwilling and full of themselves. I know plenty of uneducated and unwilling who are also full of themselves.
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While part of me agrees with this sentiment, I have to weigh that against what Paul said in 1 Corinthians 1:25-31, "For the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men. For consider your calling, brothers: not many of you were wise according to worldly standards, not many were powerful, not many were of noble birth. But God chose what is foolish in the world to shame the wise; God chose what is weak in the world to shame the strong; God chose what is low and despised in the world, even things that are not, to bring to nothing things that are, so that no human being might boast in the presence of God. He is the source of your life in Christ Jesus, whom God made our wisdom and our righteousness and sanctification and redemption. Therefore, as it is written, 'Let the one who boasts, boast in the Lord.'"
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The old paradigm of alienating the educated, more than average wealth, and the mulit-talented to use the poor, the feeble, and the ignorant is just a Pentecostal way of saying...don't strive for excellence or education because God only uses ignorant, and uneducated folks in the kingdom. That paradigm in itself is faulty to the max and is why we have an over abundance of small insignificant churches who have 20-30 relatives in it.
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Worse, it's a Pentecostal way of saying "Check your brain at the door." However, what Paul said is true: "not many of you were wise according to worldly standards, not many were powerful, not many were of noble birth." Of course, it does say "not many;" it doesn't say "none."
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02-14-2007, 11:07 AM
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I think we put too much emphasis on personality and not enough on the calling of God and the empowerment and gifting that comes with the anointing and baptism of the Holy Ghost! 
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Most definitely! God does not look at things through our eyes and shouldn't. We should be the ones striving to look at things through His eyes.
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We're here to serve one another. There are different ways we do that -- both by serving and leading. I lead, I serve. I serve, I lead.
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02-14-2007, 11:09 AM
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I have never really 'gotten into' the personality types thing...to be honest, I don't understand it much.
I've just always figured folks either were leaders or they weren't.
But, like I've always said, I'm not the brightest bulb in this chandelier... 
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To me the personality type thing is just for fun... And sometimes it can help you understand some things about people, but it's not anywhere near gospel...
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02-14-2007, 11:10 AM
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I think we put too much emphasis on personality and not enough on the calling of God and the empowerment and gifting that comes with the anointing and baptism of the Holy Ghost! 
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I think that, if anything, personality can often get in the way.
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02-14-2007, 12:17 PM
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I think that, if anything, personality can often get in the way.
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True! Very true!
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