Tying the amount of terrorists in this country to the War in Iraq is absurd. I'm certain that the terrorists plotting against this country have tried to get into America before they set up shop in Iraq. Iraq is only ANOTHER means of inflicting terror and loss on this country.
Most of them, thankfully, can't get into this country and that has NOTHING to do with the Iraq war. After 9/11 the proper security upgrades were made and terrorists watch lists were created by Homeland security and others. Who came and went in this country was/is under a microscope as it should be. The Bush administration and Congress deserve credit for securing the homeland after 9/11. The terrorists ability to come HERE to fight was dealt with by doing that, not by invading Iraq. I don't believe for a second that if we weren't in Iraq, suddenly all of these terrorists would be slipping through our borders and rendering our security measures useless.
Besides, the majority of the sect of al-qaeda responsible for 9/11 never went to Iraq. They're still in the hills of northeast Pakistan rebuilding and plotting their next attack on America while we police Iraq.
Mike, I respectfully disagree with you on this point. there are a lot of high ranking officials that disagree with you as well.
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Very simple Dan. An Obama presidency would be VERY dangerous for America and the world. Of course you would want to know specifics and I could enumerate them here, but honestly I am very sleepy and don't have the patience for listing what should be obvious to anyone who has conservative values, is pro-American, pro-life, pro-military, pro-Israel, anti-gay agenda, anti-socialism, anti-black liberation theology, anti-liberalism, etc.
McCain may not have been the ideal choice for those who will vote for him, he certainly dwarfs Obama when it comes to what we are hoping for in a President.
Should Obama get elected, the eye opener that all of America will experience will speak for itself. Then these debates as to why we were willing to be anti-Obama will be painfully transparent.
its alright bro. I did the light work.
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How the Democrats Created the Financial Crisis: Kevin Hassett
Back in 2005, Fannie and Freddie were, after years of dominating Washington, on the ropes.
What happened next was extraordinary. For the first time in history, a serious Fannie and Freddie reform bill was passed by the Senate Banking Committee. The bill gave a regulator power to crack down, and would have required the companies to eliminate their investments in risky assets.
If that bill had become law, then the world today would be different. In 2005, 2006 and 2007, a blizzard of terrible mortgage paper fluttered out of the Fannie and Freddie clouds, burying many of our oldest and most venerable institutions.
But the bill didn't become law, for a simple reason: Democrats opposed it on a party-line vote in the committee, signaling that this would be a partisan issue. Republicans, tied in knots by the tight Democratic opposition, couldn't even get the Senate to vote on the matter.
But we now know that many of the senators who protected Fannie and Freddie, including Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton and Christopher Dodd, have received mind-boggling levels of financial support from them over the years.
There has been a lot of talk about who is to blame for this crisis. A look back at the story of 2005 makes the answer pretty clear.
Oh, and there is one little footnote to the story that's worth keeping in mind while Democrats point fingers between now and Nov. 4: Senator John McCain was one of the three cosponsors of S.190, the bill that would have averted this mess.
You all are amazing. The point is McCain IS CLOSER to what we stand for...
Is it a rhetorical and political stance though? If not what exactly has he committed to doing in these areas so that I can hold him accountable at the end of his term. Will this Groundhog Day ever end.
What is amazing to me is how the moral majority in America has allowed ourselves to be duped while babies are murdered either way.
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Either the United States will destroy ignorance, or ignorance will destroy the United States. – W.E.B. DuBois
I plan on voting for John McCain. So does my wife.
We are afraid of Barack Obama and his "liberal" agenda.
We live on a pension and Social Security.
We see our income remain unchanged but costs going up constantly.
It's like receiving another pay cut each month.
In my opinion, that will just get worse at a faster rate under a "tax and spend" liberal. BHO is probably the most "liberal" senator in the lot.
If BHO does get in, I'm trusting that God will help us endure.
Perhaps at the age of 70 (actually 71 shortly after election) I may have to go back to work after being retired for 10 years. I'm not just 10 years older than when I retired, I'm not in as good of health as when I retired.
At John McCain's age, the VP is very important.
In my opinion, Sarah Palin would make a better President than Barack Obama. So the VP candidate is important in this election.
The next President may appoint as many as 3 Supreme Court Justices. I fear the type of people Barack Obama has promised to appoint. Since we live in a country that is controlled by Supreme Court interpretations of the Constitution, who gets appointed to the Supreme Court is important.
I do not ever expect to see Roe v. Wade overturned. That is just a carrot the Republicans dangle in front of the gullible.
Another thing that scares me about BHO is that he is part of the Daley Chicago political machine.
Sam, I think that this is a very logical and reasonable post. If we apply this kind of measured scrutiny to every candidate instead of the emotional and rhetorical, we may end up with a candidate that will actually do what we want and not who the parties and powers that be provide us.
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Either the United States will destroy ignorance, or ignorance will destroy the United States. – W.E.B. DuBois
I always enjoy the godly fellowship and uplifting conversation I find in these political threads!
I'm not sure what my comment had to do with playing in a sandbox, and I don't know who my Ronnie is. All I'm keeping real is the fact that has been voiced over and over on this thread alone and in countless other circles. The two-party system is a failure! The Republican Party that has been trying to pimp the Christian right for decades is NOT the guardian of all that is pure and righteous. They have just as much blood on their hands as the Dems! The landmark Roe v. Wade decision was passed in 1973, and we have had 23 years with the GOP in the White House, compared with 12 Dem, with a congressional majority swinging back and forth during that time. If the GOP is our moral high ground with their promise to reverse abortion, where's the proof? We need to face facts here... WE'VE BEEN DUPED! No Republican or Democrat is going to be the influence needed to turn this nation around. It's the church's responsibility to bring about that change - at a grass-roots level.
Also, I don't understand your second statement about the two party system. Are you agreeing with me that it's a failure? Or are you rebuking me for my inability to step out of my paradigm? Maybe I should go back to the sandbox. At least there everyone played nice or they were taken inside for a nap.
My paradigm is based on a practical application of what I perceive to be biblical principles. I'm not associated with any political party, as I refuse to pledge allegiance to any party's agenda. I'm for voting my conscience and my conscience will not allow me to vote for either parties as I see disastrous outcomes either way. Perhaps it's a wasted vote, but it wouldn't be if more people would step up, reject what is given to them as their only two options, and vote for what they really believe in. Ron Paul has a reputation as being a bit of a whacko because he's an idealist. I guess I'm an idealist as well, which could explain your scathing response. I'm okay with that.
God Bless!
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Either the United States will destroy ignorance, or ignorance will destroy the United States. – W.E.B. DuBois
I do. I think that removing the evil out there is important. Is is worth it though, maybe not. Cause if good exists evil does too no matter what happens. I think taking out Osama would be nice and taking Sadam down was good. But I am affraid that once you take down a bad leader someone is being groomed to take over and the newcomer might be tons worse than the original.
There is still plenty of evil out there and I am not sure that I would feel the way you do if it had been my 18 year old kid killed out there removing the evil.
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Mike,
I don't have a source and from what I can see we won't find a source that proves that Obama "practices" the Muslim faith.
What we can see is that he is in bed with many questionable people. It's rather funny how these characters can come under investigation or indictment and he hands their campaign contributions back to them or dumps them into some charity. Rezko, Nadhmi Auchi and Al Chaib, to name a few. You can check these guys out and go from there. Some he claims he doesn't recall ever meeting, like Auchi, when witnesses, at Rezko's mansion, say Obama and his wife were at a certain dinner in attendance with Auchi.
It is also interesting that David Alexlrod, Obama's chief strategist's mother was a writer for PM, a leftist tabloid newspaper published in NY from 1940-1948. Going by Obama's background it can be understood that they were both raised and mentored by people involved in socialism.
"For my mother, organized religion too often dressed up closed-mindedness in the garb of piety, cruelty and oppression in the cloak of righteousness. The Bible, the Koran and the Bhagavad Gita sat on the shelf alongside books of Greek and Norse and African mythology." Obama, also, saying his father was raised a Muslim and became an Atheist - he says.
Obama finds his roots in the Luo tribe in Kenya and helps support a guy named, Raila Odinga, who is also a radical leftist politician educated in communist East Germany. Odinga now appears to have allied with radical Muslims in Kenya whose main agenda is to advance the cause of Islam, aggressively, in Africa.
A Kenyan newspaper and television news reports that Odinga, who represents the Orange Democratic Movement (ODM) , and Sheikh Abdulla Abdi, the chairman of the National Muslim Leaders Forum (NAMLEF), signed an agreement on August 29, 2007. A "whereas clause" in the agreement appears to recognize "Islam as the only true religion." That gives Sharia law a more stronghold on the Horn of Africa which is already dominating in Somalia and Sudan.
If Obama were to win the White House, he would be the first President NOT to have family on American soil.
What about his Christian faith? In Obama's autobiography he openly tells of reading the black radicals and civil rights figures of the 1960's. He said he found his greatest affinity with Malcolm X.
On joining the United Church of Christ, Obama had to have comprehended that he was joining a church who based it's principles on the black-liberation theology that Rev. Wright embraced and professed. We find that he doesn't ever share that he had an epiphany when he came to Christ. This is what he said after being instructed by leaders that he needed to tie in with a church in order to reach the community.
"That religious commitment did not require me to suspend critical thinking, disengage from the battle for economic and social justice, or otherwise retreat from the world I knew and loved." It seems, IMO, that his decision to become a "Christian" was a choice and not an epiphany.
I could go on about Louis Farrakhan, the Black Muslim and how Obama was in attendance at his Million Man March in Washington, D.C. - saying himself, that he "took time off" to be in attendance.
I'm also concerned about his associations and "hand outs" he can give behind the scenes as he did in Chicago, people he can appoint like, Cynthia K. Miller ( who is a member of Louis Farrakhan's Nation of Islam sect ) and was the Official Treasurer of Obama's U.S. Senate Campaign. Jennifer Mason, whom is also a member of the Nation of Islam. Mason is Obama’s Director of Constituent Services in his U.S. Senate office and is also in charge of selecting Obama’s Senate interns.
So, I stand with Ferd, who did a superb job, as usual, laying out the reasons we vote McCain. I also can see that I don't have to deal with all the socialist, liberal, communist, black-liberation theology with McCain that I have to take with Obama. So, yes, Daniel, I am "against" him in every way, shape and form.
I agreed with McCain when he voted "against" Bush's tax cuts, solely, because there was no mention of cutting back on governmental spending. I am not for this bailout, as is, because if we don't curb the spending it is wasted money.
This troubling wording on the bailout proposal is also very disturbing:
Section 8 Review "Decisions by the Secretary pursuant to the authority of this Act are non-reviewable and committed to agency discretion, and may not be reviewed by any court of law or any administrative agency."
Thanks PO for being honest about the lack of proof toward the Muslim rumormongering. All of that isn't based on any type of fact whatsoever and I think it behooves all of us as Christians to shun it.
You and I certainly agree on this bailout. Anytime the federal government acts in a kneejerk reaction to "fix" something, I'm highly skeptical. The lack of checks and balances and oversight that Henry Paulson would have with $700 BILLION of American tax payers money is unprecedented and dangerous.
I'm not dismissing the need for some type of aid to the financial system right now, but in it's present form, I'm totally opposed.
PO, I really respect the amount of research you do and the effort you put into being an informed voter. America needs a lot more people like you. We can disagree on conclusions, but I really respect your knowledge.
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Thanks PO for being honest about the lack of proof toward the Muslim rumormongering. All of that isn't based on any type of fact whatsoever and I think it behooves all of us as Christians to shun it.
You and I certainly agree on this bailout. Anytime the federal government acts in a kneejerk reaction to "fix" something, I'm highly skeptical. The lack of checks and balances and oversight that Henry Paulson would have with $700 BILLION of American tax payers money is unprecedented and dangerous.
I'm not dismissing the need for some type of aid to the financial system right now, but in it's present form, I'm totally opposed.
PO, I really respect the amount of research you do and the effort you put into being an informed voter. America needs a lot more people like you. We can disagree on conclusions, but I really respect your knowledge.
Thank you, Mike. I appreciate your kindness and willingness to converse without being aggressive with it.
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