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Old 09-02-2008, 02:42 PM
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Re: McCain is Desperate

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That paragraph rings a lot of truth, Mike.

I have a friend that is Mayor in a smaller town than Palin governed and he has to deal with a myriad of issues. I have several friends on City Council in two adjoining towns. They were having some real big time issues and one of my friends brought her Council lawyer to the meeting in the other town because they were to poor to hire one. The woman did it as a favor.

She called and discussed all the legal ramifications they had to follow to get things done correctly and for the people. Lots of crooked dealings going on. The legal issues were so involved. They had to study them out and be confirmed by a lawyer to proceed. They had to be instructed on how to conduct themselves at the City Counsel meeting in order to resolve the issues and get the current Mayor voted out. He was a crook and so were the policemen he hired. No background checks and he was refusing to allow it. Just a lot of stuff.

So, the article is right - you get smart real quick and you are working with actual people, governance. It doesn't matter how big or small. You're doing it. I've seen this take place just recently in my area.
The size and scope does matter in my opinion. I know pastors who haveto deal with a myriad of issues and lawyers etc...

Governing a town of 5,000 people is night and day from governing a town like Chicago.
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Old 09-02-2008, 02:43 PM
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Re: McCain is Desperate

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That paragraph rings a lot of truth, Mike.

I have a friend that is Mayor in a smaller town than Palin governed and he has to deal with a myriad of issues. I have several friends on City Council in two adjoining towns. They were having some real big time issues and one of my friends brought her Council lawyer to the meeting in the other town because they were to poor to hire one. The woman did it as a favor.

She called and discussed all the legal ramifications they had to follow to get things done correctly and for the people. Lots of crooked dealings going on. The legal issues were so involved. They had to study them out and be confirmed by a lawyer to proceed. They had to be instructed on how to conduct themselves at the City Counsel meeting in order to resolve the issues and get the current Mayor voted out. He was a crook and so were the policemen he hired. No background checks and he was refusing to allow it. Just a lot of stuff.

So, the article is right - you get smart real quick and you are working with actual people, governance. It doesn't matter how big or small. You're doing it. I've seen this take place just recently in my area.

I understand your point, PO. I understand the intricacies, details, decision making and all of the other wide range of things that being a mayor entails.

I've run a family owned business for the past 4 years after graduating from college. It's a small business my dad started back in the 70's and has been blessed and successful. We have 9 or 10 employees and do a wide range of plumbing contracting services both in residential and commercial.

I think what I'm hearing you and a lot of others say is that given my business experience in running a small business day to day, that'd I'd be qualified to run a corporate conglomerate with 1000's of employees and millions in revenue. I know for a fact that my experience on this level of business wouldn't translate in that way. My judgment is that Sara Palin's wouldn't either.
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Old 09-02-2008, 02:53 PM
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I understand your point, PO. I understand the intricacies, details, decision making and all of the other wide range of things that being a mayor entails.

I've run a family owned business for the past 4 years after graduating from college. It's a small business my dad started back in the 70's and has been blessed and successful. We have 9 or 10 employees and do a wide range of plumbing contracting services both in residential and commercial.

I think what I'm hearing you and a lot of others say is that given my business experience in running a small business day to day, that'd I'd be qualified to run a corporate conglomerate with 1000's of employees and millions in revenue. I know for a fact that my experience on this level of business wouldn't translate in that way. My judgment is that Sara Palin's wouldn't either.

Mike, what we are saying is there is a mesuring stick here. That measuring stick is no greater than Barry Hussain Obama's experience.

when you use that measuring stick, Mrs. Palin's experience in Wasalia as a cheif executive shines as a decision maker.

Further, her experience in dealing with Oil Companies and with corrupt officials from her own party, proves her to be a stronger "change agent" than Obama.

Still further, her success as governor for 1.5 years exceeds Obama's experience of 144 days as an active senator.


so, on the 3 things that matter, experience as a decision maker, reformer, experience in high office, Mrs. Palin exceeds the mesuring stick provided by Barak Obama's nomination for the democrat ticket.


THAT is what we are saying.

is she the most qualified candidate to ever run for VP? no she is not. But does that mean she is a novice with no valid experience? again, no she is not a novice.

She is brilliant. even her detractors will agree with that. She is also very much represntative of the base of the republican party which is something McCain very much needed to energize.

perspective my friend.... perspective.
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The size and scope does matter in my opinion. I know pastors who haveto deal with a myriad of issues and lawyers etc...

Governing a town of 5,000 people is night and day from governing a town like Chicago.
you arent suggesting that Barak governed Chicago are you?
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Mike, what we are saying is there is a mesuring stick here. That measuring stick is no greater than Barry Hussain Obama's experience.

when you use that measuring stick, Mrs. Palin's experience in Wasalia as a cheif executive shines as a decision maker.

Further, her experience in dealing with Oil Companies and with corrupt officials from her own party, proves her to be a stronger "change agent" than Obama.

Still further, her success as governor for 1.5 years exceeds Obama's experience of 144 days as an active senator.


so, on the 3 things that matter, experience as a decision maker, reformer, experience in high office, Mrs. Palin exceeds the mesuring stick provided by Barak Obama's nomination for the democrat ticket.

Ferd, I think the next 60 days will be interesting to watch and see if the American people agree with you.

One things for certain, 60 days is a LONG time in a political race and no one can predict the future as crazy as politics is these days.
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you arent suggesting that Barak governed Chicago are you?
No, I am suggesting that the characterization of any Mayoral experience being more valuable than all U.S. and State legislative experience is a misnomer. There are some Senator's whose expertise I would place over the "executive experience" of a small time Mayor.
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Mike, what we are saying is there is a mesuring stick here. That measuring stick is no greater than Barry Hussain Obama's experience.

when you use that measuring stick, Mrs. Palin's experience in Wasalia as a cheif executive shines as a decision maker.

Further, her experience in dealing with Oil Companies and with corrupt officials from her own party, proves her to be a stronger "change agent" than Obama.

Still further, her success as governor for 1.5 years exceeds Obama's experience of 144 days as an active senator.


so, on the 3 things that matter, experience as a decision maker, reformer, experience in high office, Mrs. Palin exceeds the mesuring stick provided by Barak Obama's nomination for the democrat ticket.


THAT is what we are saying.

is she the most qualified candidate to ever run for VP? no she is not. But does that mean she is a novice with no valid experience? again, no she is not a novice.

She is brilliant. even her detractors will agree with that. She is also very much represntative of the base of the republican party which is something McCain very much needed to energize.

perspective my friend.... perspective.
Where is that figure from?
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Old 09-02-2008, 02:59 PM
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I understand your point, PO. I understand the intricacies, details, decision making and all of the other wide range of things that being a mayor entails.

I've run a family owned business for the past 4 years after graduating from college. It's a small business my dad started back in the 70's and has been blessed and successful. We have 9 or 10 employees and do a wide range of plumbing contracting services both in residential and commercial.

I think what I'm hearing you and a lot of others say is that given my business experience in running a small business day to day, that'd I'd be qualified to run a corporate conglomerate with 1000's of employees and millions in revenue. I know for a fact that my experience on this level of business wouldn't translate in that way. My judgment is that Sara Palin's wouldn't either.
Well, actually, because you would have advisors, I think you could do it. I know you could do it.

At nineteen years old I was hired as an Office Manger for a large catering company that serviced the Convention Center in downtown San Antonio. I got with everyone who I would be working with, went over their job responsibilities, which lead to me to know what I needed to do. It can be done. You just have to look around and use everyone to your advantage.

I think I'm going to run for Mayor soon.

My point is, Palin is not going to be operating on her own as neither will McCain. She wasn't doing that alone as Governor, although the major decisions are being decided, at the end of the day, by her. These decisions are not that hard to make when you've run a state and talked to everyone involved. She got that experience on City Council.

I'm of the opinion of the authored article I cited - you get smart real fast.
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I think I'm going to run for Mayor soon.
Can I be the campaign manager?? If it's San Antonio I know I could talk my wife into moving because we both love that place. We spent our honeymoon on the banks of the river walk and I played some great golf courses down there.
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Well, actually, because you would have advisors, I think you could do it. I know you could do it.

At nineteen years old I was hired as an Office Manger for a large catering company that serviced the Convention Center in downtown San Antonio. I got with everyone who I would be working with, went over their job responsibilities, which lead to me to know what I needed to do. It can be done. You just have to look around and use everyone to your advantage.

I think I'm going to run for Mayor soon.

My point is, Palin is not going to be operating on her own as neither will McCain. She wasn't doing that alone as Governor, although the major decisions are being decided, at the end of the day, by her. These decisions are not that hard to make when you've run a state and talked to everyone involved. She got that experience on City Council.

I'm of the opinion of the authored article I cited - you get smart real fast.
PO, I understand your point, but my issue is that in order to effectively make that point, you are pulling the rug out from under your argument against Obama's perceived lack of experience.
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