Swinging Saints! - Page 14

bishoph · #**131** 08-07-2008, 01:41 AM

While I know my response may not be popular here goes............. IMO this problem is growing more and more, and we will see/hear of it more and more. I personally attribute this and other activities surge and acceptance to the widespread promotion and acceptance of once taboo subjects/actions by the media driven world we now live in. While the "older" generation may have been able to withstand certain temptations, the younger generations have grown up being desensitized to immorality, and even seeing it glorified/sensationalized. TV channels (HBO, Cinemax, ????) promote sexual promiscuity and alternative relationships/lifestyles. Even regular prime time programming is full of innuendo, and outright sexual content. When so many with our churches are watching this type of programming, it is no wonder that we are starting to reap the tragic harvest.

The influence of TV on our society, and the sexual revolution is realized by listening to young people talk. Even as a pastor many talks with young people end up being about sex, not because I brought it up, but because they did. They talk about it at church, at school, at work, they hear it on the radio, see it on the computer, TV, and movies. And then we wonder how they can be so "open" about the subject. The precious gift that was designed to be protected and cherished until the wedding night, has become penny stock traded with no value.

We must teach principles to our children, and live by the same principles we teach.

Aquila · #**132** 08-07-2008, 01:48 AM

Bishoph, I agree for the most part. But when talking to adolescents, of course they are going to bring up sex at some point...their hormones are raging.

I honestly think you could take away every tv, radio, and known form of media...and adolescents are going to be thinking with their hormones.

Praxeas · #**133** 08-07-2008, 01:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Esther

IF you read the entire thread you will see this has happened in more than one church.

I seriously doubt this happens only in our organization, but I have no proof otherwise except the study someone else reported.

It's alleged to have happened in more than one church

Praxeas · #**134** 08-07-2008, 01:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Esther

Good grief!

It is great that you have such a high regard for the organization that in your opinion they are all perfect.

I know you wouldn't want to just stick your head in the sand rather than believe anything less than perfect could happen in an UPChurch.

He didn't say the org is perfect. He's just not willing to receive tales as fact just because someone says so

Praxeas · #**135** 08-07-2008, 01:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Esther

Well I know I am from the Baby Boomers generation, but I heard something very recently that has just blown my mind!

I was informed that an UPChurch has young married couples sharing spouses together. One wife didn't want to participate so hubby divorces her!

How can Holy Ghost filled people think this is okay in God's eyes?

Have you heard of this happening elsewhere are do you think this is an isolated event?

Do you think I am just too old fashion?

Esther, you said you know the Pastor and he would not condone this. Seriously...he has swingers...he has a couple that divorced his wife...and the Pastor has no clue as to what is going on? Did not hear a thing though the rest of us did? How can such a think be hidden from the rest of the congregation?

Praxeas · #**136** 08-07-2008, 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by triumphant1

I personally wouldn't believe it...

It is amazing how rumers fly and how false they can be.

Exactly. And Im not saying it can't happen, but for a board that roasts Thad alive for his rumors I am surprised how many are just accepting these as fact

Praxeas · #**137** 08-07-2008, 01:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Esther

No this is from someone who knows!

Not only that it seems this age group openly discusses in mixed company bedroom information that needs to be kept private.

I wonder if it is because this generation has an "open" or not sure what word to use here, freedom to discuss this subject compared to older generations? Is it because of TV, Schools, or just a different generation?

And yet the Pastor of the church is clueless? Something is not right. Either the Pastor knows or this story is not what it seems

Many of those older generations grew up in the 60s where swinging flourished

Praxeas · #**138** 08-07-2008, 01:55 AM

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Originally Posted by rgcraig

I would not be too quick to write this off.

I am aware of it being practiced by an ex-UPC preacher and his wife and no I will not mention who or where.

Don't be to quick to believe it. Im shocked. It's amazing how we grumble about Thad but accept these stories as truth

Praxeas · #**139** 08-07-2008, 02:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Aquila

Everyone just calm down. What happens in several congregations doesn't represent an entire organization. I'm UPCI and I know of some instances of couples experimenting with this sort of thing. And I don't find that it reflects on the organization. I believe it illustrates that some couples had a lapse in judgment and tried to fulfill unmet needs in improper ways. And I know some pastors might also be prone to falling into this. They are human beings too.

We don't know that it HAS happened in ANY congregation. We have second or third hand stories at best. Yes it could have happened, but everyone is assuming the story is true and the facts are 100% accurate. I have first hand experience how lies about Pastors and congregations get started by one individual and get spread to other churches and are completely false. You all need to be more careful

Praxeas · #**140** 08-07-2008, 02:04 AM

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Originally Posted by MissBrattified

I know! My husband would not DARE disrespect me like that.

Or anyone else....he disrespected you too