Baptism, DOES IT REALLY WASH AWAY SIN??

[LUKE2447]

"Baptism by immersion is a perfect symbol for this work of Christ with which the Christian is identifying himself. As Christ died and was raised to a new life, so to the Christian, in Christ, is said to have died (Rom. 6:11; Col. 3:3) and has a new life. This new life of regeneration is by faith, the internal work. Baptism, is the external work of identification with Christ. This is why the reference to baptism in the Bible is dealing more with "our union and identification with Christ than to our water baptism."1 "


This is so funny you agree it clearly is marked by the Word as that which it symbolizes YET you deny it as the appointed time. Makes no sense of trying to seperate appointed time with the symbol...

[SDG]

Originally Posted by LUKE2447

"Baptism by immersion is a perfect symbol for this work of Christ with which the Christian is identifying himself. As Christ died and was raised to a new life, so to the Christian, in Christ, is said to have died (Rom. 6:11; Col. 3:3) and has a new life. This new life of regeneration is by faith, the internal work. Baptism, is the external work of identification with Christ. This is why the reference to baptism in the Bible is dealing more with "our union and identification with Christ than to our water baptism."1 "


This is so funny you agree it clearly is marked by the Word as that which it symbolizes YET you deny it as the appointed time. Makes no sense of trying to seperate appointed time with the symbol...

My bible tells me that this remission/forgiveness happens and is directly linked w/ repentance and the point of faith...

I am baptized because I am forgiven ... not to cause my forgiveness/remission/washing

Acts 3:19, Acts 10:43, Acts 2:38, Luke 24:47

Romans 6 tells baptism is symbol .... a picture of THE ENTIRE GOSPEL ...

Not the place of forgiveness/remission/aphesis

No ways around it, Luke ... anything else is sacramentalism.

No amount of stretching ... decoding ... or forcing context can prove this in Romans 6 ... it's poor hermeneutics.

We are not to isolate scripture.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

Dan, I'm responding the Baron's comment that he did not think Paul/Saul repented on the Damascus road. My assertion is that Paul did repent on the Damascus road as evidenced by his reaction to Jesus and subsequent fasting. And because Paul repented, Ananias telling Paul to "arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord" does not make sense IF, according to one steppers, Paul's sins were already remitted when he repented since there would be not further need of a "washing".

My head is in the game, Dan. It would be helpful if you had read the entire conversation I was having with the Baron before accusing me of throwing out red herrings and creating rabbit trails.

Having already discussed many aspects of Acts 22 and washing in regards to aphesis and the words of the Apostles ... including grammatical structure of this prooftext and what calling on the name of the Lord means IN THE BIBLE ....

I also submit Paul's words about the revelation of the Gospel he received from Jesus Christ and no other man ....

Galatians 1:

11I want you to know, brothers, that the gospel I preached is not something that man made up. 12I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it; rather, I received it by revelation from Jesus Christ. 13For you have heard of my previous way of life in Judaism, how intensely I persecuted the church of God and tried to destroy it. 14I was advancing in Judaism beyond many Jews of my own age and was extremely zealous for the traditions of my fathers. 15But when God, who set me apart from birth[a] and called me by his grace, was pleased 16to reveal his Son in me so that I might preach him among the Gentiles

[LUKE2447]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

My bible tells me that this remission/forgiveness happens and is directly linked w/ repentance and the point of faith...

I am baptized because I am forgiven ... not to cause my forgiveness/remission/washing

Acts 3:19, Acts 10:43, Acts 2:38, Luke 24:47

Romans 6 tells baptism is symbol .... a picture of THE ENTIRE GOSPEL ...

Not the place of forgiveness/remission/aphesis

No ways around it, Luke ... anything else is sacramentalism.

No amount of stretching ... decoding ... or forcing context can prove this in Romans 6 ... it's poor hermeneutics.

We are not to isolate scripture.

LOL! You take didactic teaching and twist it. amazing!

What is faith Daniel?

[Steve Epley]

Dan quotes Bernie then is astounded because we could careless what a Baptist wannabee says.
Thus saith Bernie carries no weight with me.

I believe the Apostles and reject Bernieism!

[Aquila]

I repented of my sins and I receivd the baptism of the Holy Ghost...before water baptism.

If my sins weren't "washed away" until my baptism....why did God choose to dwell and abide in an unforgiven and unclean temple? Why was I told to rejoice and praise God for forgiving me? Why did I began to weep and dance at the altar?

I believe water baptism is absolutely commanded in Scripture....but I don't compartmentalilze the process of salvation.

[berkeley]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I repented of my sins and I receivd the baptism of the Holy Ghost...before water baptism.

If my sins weren't "washed away" until my baptism....why did God choose to dwell and abide in an unforgiven and unclean temple? Why was I told to rejoice and praise God for forgiving me? Why did I began to weep and dance at the altar?

I believe water baptism is absolutely commanded in Scripture....but I don't compartmentalilze the process of salvation.

You got it on loan...

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Berkeley

You got it on loan...

lol I like the couch.

Can you give Scripture for this "loan"? lol

I firmly believe that water baptism in Jesus name is a covenantal act signifying the washing away of sin and identifying us with Christ's burial. I believe it is a COMMAND and to neglect it is to be in rebellion. But I don't know if it "washes" away any "sin substance". That rings of baptismal regeneration.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Aquila

lol I like the couch.

Can you give Scripture for this "loan"? lol

I firmly believe that water baptism in Jesus name is a covenantal act signifying the washing away of sin and identifying us with Christ's burial. I believe it is a COMMAND and to neglect it is to be in rebellion. But I don't know if it "washes" away any "sin substance". That rings of baptismal regeneration.

Peter seems to be in emphatic agreement (1 Peter 3:21). Whether he's talking about it being pointless to wash off "real" dirt or some imagined "sin substance" - he says "NOT..."

[Rico]

Originally Posted by pelathais

Peter seems to be in emphatic agreement (1 Peter 3:21). Whether he's talking about it being pointless to wash off "real" dirt or some imagined "sin substance" - he says "NOT..."

So..........using the same exact scripture you are referencing in your post...........does that now mean that someone can have their sins forgiven and still not be saved until they get baptized? Just throwing this out for discussion.