Dan the moral equivalence argument doesn't work. Nobody here thinks burning black folk is ok. Nobody here denies the black experience in America has been a great struggle.
And no one denies some whites did not agree w/ the horrific reality our gov't (we the people) sanctioned for centuries.
And were heroic in trying to combat this prolific evil.
And no one denies some whites did not agree w/ the reality our gov't sanctioned for centuries.
Did anyone on this forum personally own slaves?
Did anyone on this forum personally march in the Civil Rights marches?
My point is, we can all debate the great injustices done to any race, going back centuries.
But, how do we resolve it in our generation? Is the answer to create a society where those who were wronged in the past now have greater privilege than anyone else? Should we pay reparations? Should we grant free education, or the best jobs to those of a particular race or creed, just BECAUSE they are of that particular race or creed?
I see a lot of outrage about the sins of the past, and yet, the remedy, due to it's mere nature, has created a reverse injustice.
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Miss B ... I was educated enough to know that there were whites who marched side by side w/ those in the Civil Rights movement ....
yet you point out elements of a photo but somehow your intelligence is insulted when I add to the perspective ...
A bit disingenuous I believe ...
Sorry if all facets of truth offends you.
No, graphic photos offend me, and while I have viewed them during educational processes (self-imposed or otherwise), I don't like to be surprised with them. Common sense, Daniel, common sense.
My intelligence is insulted, because you seem to assume that I've never seen such a photo before, or that perhaps putting it within your post will change my perspective, or as you "add to the perspective" perhaps my views will be more well rounded?
I appreciate the video, because it is one that promotes unity and peace, (and illustrates it with both blacks and whites walking together) NOT to be confused with your photo which is meant to titillate or incite anger or other heavy emotion.
You really have difficulty focusing on a topic, don't you? Do you need some Ritalin?
YOU are the one who first denigrated white men as the sole cause for slavery. (Via your post which didn't acknowledge other perpetrators, or excuse the white men and women who did NOT participate) So don't pretend that your perspective is balanced, or that you have presented your views in such a way as to lead the reader to believe you have balanced perspective.
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To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
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Did anyone on this forum personally march in the Civil Rights marches?
My point is, we can all debate the great injustices done to any race, going back centuries.
But, how do we resolve it in our generation? Is the answer to create a society where those who were wronged in the past now have greater privilege than anyone else? Should we pay reparations? Should we grant free education, or the best jobs to those of a particular race or creed, just BECAUSE they are of that particular race or creed?
I see a lot of outrage about the sins of the past, and yet, the remedy, due to it's mere nature, has created a reverse injustice.
No to the first few questions ...
How do we solve this ???.. that's what we're all trying to figure out ...
Thankfully we've made huge strides ...
This is not about white guilt, Mike ...
You owe no one but the recognition that they may be carrying legitimate offenses which take time to heal ... this is centuries in the making .... and that we as a nation sometimes frown about people celebrating their new found freedoms even if we don't agree w/ their politics or mode of expression.
YOU are the one who first denigrated white men as the sole cause for slavery. (Via your post which didn't acknowledge other perpetrators, or excuse the white men and women who did NOT participate) So don't pretend that your perspective is balanced, or that you have presented your views in such a way as to lead the reader to believe you have balanced perspective.
Did no such thing ... my attempt here is not to appear balanced but to offer a perspective to a thread that does not have another varying view ... thus trying to bring it back to the center ... capisce?
How do we solve .. that's what we're all trying to figure out ...
Thankfully we've made huge strides ...
This is not about white guilt, Mike ...
You owe no one but the recognition that they may be carry legitimate offenses and that we as a nation sometimes frown about people celebrating their freedoms even if we don't agree w/ their politics or mode of expression.
*sigh*
You have extrapolated offense at inappropriate behavior into freedom-suppression and "frowning" at the celebration of said freedom[s].
And you want us to believe you are balanced.
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"God, send me anywhere, only go with me. Lay any burden on me, only sustain me. And sever any tie in my heart except the tie that binds my heart to Yours."
--David Livingstone
"To see no being, not God’s or any, but you also go thither,
To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
--Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass, Song of the Open Road
How do we solve .. that's what we're all trying to figure out ...
Thankfully we've made huge strides ...
This is not about white guilt, Mike ...
You owe no one but the recognition that they may be carry legitimate offenses and that we as a nation sometimes frown about people celebrating their freedoms even if we don't agree w/ their politics or mode of expression.
It's time to let it go.
We all understand that there were undeniable injustices committed. However, sometimes I think the so called "civil rights" leaders, the ones screaming for equality, are keeping the wounds open.
And, continually rehashing the past, replete with examples and graphic pictures, are not helping the healing process.
If we all strive for a truly "equal" America, then we'll support and man, woman, boy, girl of any race, creed, nation and tongue in their pursuit of the same opportunites.
For the victims (who are not victims, but possible children and grandchildren of victims) to continually rub these injustices in the face of the offenders (who are not offenders, but possible children and grandchildren of offenders) is not only a counterproductive action, but also a divisive and hate perpetuating action.
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